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<blockquote data-quote="Gundark" data-source="post: 6343476" data-attributes="member: 6148">I saw a post from Lisa Stevens (I think I got the name right...Paizo CEO) on the Paizo forums about this. Apparently PF is poised to make sales records this quarter again (the quarter of 5e's release). She seems to think that they can exist in the same space and are not really competing as much as what people think. She claims that the two games are really two different creatures (5e is about lighter crunch, PF is heavier crunch).To an extent I think she's right, the die hards will never convert to 5e and will buy Pathfinder to their dying breath. Also the bulk of their sales still comes from their AP's, I myself have purchase some of their APs for the sake of conversion to other game systems (I've never been a PFRPG customer). In some ways the AP's can be looked at as &quot;system neutral&quot; .OTOH The moderates/New Players I think is where they may take a bit of a hit. This also depends on organized play and how much living Pathfinder competes with the organized play of 5e (ie. are they on the same nights? Are they advertised equally?).&nbsp; 5e offers a menu of play styles and rules crunch as opposed to the hardline that PF offers. PF has a ton of options but those options are hard fastened to a game with a lot of crunch. 5e is selling itself as a low barrier game as far as cost, learning curve/ game prep to actual time spent playing ratio. PF can be played for free, but I would argue that the actual barriers to play are higher with PF.All in all though I don't think PF will suffer too badly. I think Paizo will do fine. I do think that the market can handle both.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gundark, post: 6343476, member: 6148"] I saw a post from Lisa Stevens (I think I got the name right...Paizo CEO) on the Paizo forums about this. Apparently PF is poised to make sales records this quarter again (the quarter of 5e's release). She seems to think that they can exist in the same space and are not really competing as much as what people think. She claims that the two games are really two different creatures (5e is about lighter crunch, PF is heavier crunch). To an extent I think she's right, the die hards will never convert to 5e and will buy Pathfinder to their dying breath. Also the bulk of their sales still comes from their AP's, I myself have purchase some of their APs for the sake of conversion to other game systems (I've never been a PFRPG customer). In some ways the AP's can be looked at as "system neutral" . OTOH The moderates/New Players I think is where they may take a bit of a hit. This also depends on organized play and how much living Pathfinder competes with the organized play of 5e (ie. are they on the same nights? Are they advertised equally?). 5e offers a menu of play styles and rules crunch as opposed to the hardline that PF offers. PF has a ton of options but those options are hard fastened to a game with a lot of crunch. 5e is selling itself as a low barrier game as far as cost, learning curve/ game prep to actual time spent playing ratio. PF can be played for free, but I would argue that the actual barriers to play are higher with PF. All in all though I don't think PF will suffer too badly. I think Paizo will do fine. I do think that the market can handle both. [/QUOTE]

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