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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 7469568" data-attributes="member: 19857">See, I don't think of Greyhawk as a kitchen sink fantasy setting at all.&nbsp; Greyhawk to me is a sword and sorcery setting influenced heavily by the works of Howard, de Camp, Lin Carter, Moorcock, Vance and other fantasy writers who were writing before the 1970s.&nbsp; That's what it means to me.&nbsp; The Realms, OTOH, has a lot of influence from post-1970s fantasy, as well as being a major influence ON post-1980s fantasy.&nbsp; So it includes all of the influences of Greyhawk along with many others - including the Dragonlance stories of Weis and Hickman, the works of Terry Brooks, David Eddings, and many others (including folks like Greenwood and Salvatore and other writers in the novel lines who brought their own influences to the world as well).&nbsp; Both worlds are also obviously influenced by Tolkein as well, but in Greyhawk I feel that the Tolkein influences are more muted while the Realms wears that influence on its sleeve.OTOH, Mystara is absolutely a kitchen sink setting, but it grew up as a campaign world at the same time as the Realms (late 80s/early 90s).&nbsp; It's a very different play experience IMO because the Known World has a more &quot;modern European&quot; flavor to it in my mind than the Realms does, but that may just be my interpretation (it also has &quot;fantasy geography&quot; and &quot;fantasy culture&quot; issues that many people can't get past, so I long ago resigned myself to the fact that it will never be the breakout hit that I'd like it to be).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jer, post: 7469568, member: 19857"] See, I don't think of Greyhawk as a kitchen sink fantasy setting at all. Greyhawk to me is a sword and sorcery setting influenced heavily by the works of Howard, de Camp, Lin Carter, Moorcock, Vance and other fantasy writers who were writing before the 1970s. That's what it means to me. The Realms, OTOH, has a lot of influence from post-1970s fantasy, as well as being a major influence ON post-1980s fantasy. So it includes all of the influences of Greyhawk along with many others - including the Dragonlance stories of Weis and Hickman, the works of Terry Brooks, David Eddings, and many others (including folks like Greenwood and Salvatore and other writers in the novel lines who brought their own influences to the world as well). Both worlds are also obviously influenced by Tolkein as well, but in Greyhawk I feel that the Tolkein influences are more muted while the Realms wears that influence on its sleeve. OTOH, Mystara is absolutely a kitchen sink setting, but it grew up as a campaign world at the same time as the Realms (late 80s/early 90s). It's a very different play experience IMO because the Known World has a more "modern European" flavor to it in my mind than the Realms does, but that may just be my interpretation (it also has "fantasy geography" and "fantasy culture" issues that many people can't get past, so I long ago resigned myself to the fact that it will never be the breakout hit that I'd like it to be). [/QUOTE]

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