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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7026970" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>This gets back to the bit I don't entirely get: 5e has manoeuvres et al (wizard spells with forced movement, battlemaster abilities, the much-vaunted "shove" attack, etc).</p><p></p><p>Is it, as [MENTION=82106]AbdulAlhazred[/MENTION] suggested upthread, about the quantity of these?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My response to this is similar to [MENTION=996]Tony Vargas[/MENTION]'s - there seems to be a tension between the first two posts and the latter three.</p><p></p><p>That is, if in fact the casters are "realisitically" more powerful than the fighters, then why is this not manifesting itself at the table? And if in fact what the fighters do is more effective, then in whay theoretical sense are the casters more powerful?</p><p></p><p>(Personally, and bracketing whether "realistic" is the right word, I think that knights in shining armour clearly are as powerful as Merlin from the story point of view - it is their exploits, not Merlin's, that determine the fate of the realm. Or, in LotR terms, it is Aragorn as much as Gandalf who makes the choices and performs the deeds that determine the outcome for Middle Earth. I like a RPG that can somehow capture this on the player side rather than making it a matter of GM behind-the-scenes manipulation.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7026970, member: 42582"] This gets back to the bit I don't entirely get: 5e has manoeuvres et al (wizard spells with forced movement, battlemaster abilities, the much-vaunted "shove" attack, etc). Is it, as [MENTION=82106]AbdulAlhazred[/MENTION] suggested upthread, about the quantity of these? My response to this is similar to [MENTION=996]Tony Vargas[/MENTION]'s - there seems to be a tension between the first two posts and the latter three. That is, if in fact the casters are "realisitically" more powerful than the fighters, then why is this not manifesting itself at the table? And if in fact what the fighters do is more effective, then in whay theoretical sense are the casters more powerful? (Personally, and bracketing whether "realistic" is the right word, I think that knights in shining armour clearly are as powerful as Merlin from the story point of view - it is their exploits, not Merlin's, that determine the fate of the realm. Or, in LotR terms, it is Aragorn as much as Gandalf who makes the choices and performs the deeds that determine the outcome for Middle Earth. I like a RPG that can somehow capture this on the player side rather than making it a matter of GM behind-the-scenes manipulation.) [/QUOTE]
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