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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7027553" data-attributes="member: 48965">Okay assuming an 8th level wizard that has a 16 CON (and this is being extremely generous)... that's 50hp's on average... Longbow Battlemaster (level 8) with a 20 Dex (and archery style) is doing 1d8+4/1d8+4 per round or roughly 8.5+8.5= 17 damage per round at 600 ft away...  But throw 5 superiority dice on there + Menacing Attack so your Wizard can't move closer to him (what spell has a 600ft range??) and that's 17 +5d8 (22.5) = 39.5 points of damage total... but then throw Action Surge on there and that's 2 more attacks at 1d8+4/1d8+4 so total of 56.5 points of damage on average... that's your fighters SoD right there from 600 ft away in 1 round...  He's Dex based and can just as easily take the Alert feat... so he's murdering you before you get your fancy tricks off.  I'm talking about a ranged fighter... 600ft away... he isn't in your grill.  He can choose his battleground just as easily as you can yours and with training in stealth... he's as good or better than your invisibility spell...EDIT: Just to be clear I'm not saying Wizards don't have a breadth advantage over fighters (though I don't think it's as wide as some seem to think it is in 5e if rules like concentration, components/foci, etc. are followed)... but to claim they would dominate not only one fighter but a party of them easily... not buying it.</blockquote>