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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7033687" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Yeah, 5e combat is kind of its own thing. Its swingier and less tactically elaborated than 4e, but far less so than AD&D. It certainly isn't as much rocket tag as 3.x but it can get pretty dicey at higher levels.</p><p></p><p>As for the bonus progressions of different games...</p><p></p><p>In AD&D a fighter gets +1/level (or +2/2 levels, whatever) up to needing a 20, which then repeats 6 times in 1e (but not in 2e). Add in expected increase of +3 from magic weapon and +3 from other magic (gauntlets, etc) and you get something like maybe roughly +18 over 12 levels. 4e is built on a +1/level math engine, but level 20 is more like AD&D level 12, so you might consider it to have basically the same progression, or less if you just compare levels 1-to-1.</p><p></p><p>5e obviously has a much slower progression, I think it was roughly about +1/2 levels, but I haven't played a fighter, so...</p><p></p><p>Of course HP and AC progression are also important. AD&D has little progression of AC, relatively. A level 1 fighter might be AC5, and he might be AC -5 at level 12 (but probably more like -2, depends on the game as it 100% depends on magic). 4e obviously progresses AC the same as to-hit, and 5e is closer to AD&D. So generally in 1e and 5e you'd expect higher level PCs to hit more often. In both of these games though HP progress at a steeper rate than in 4e, so 4e characters take less hits at higher level but have relatively less hit points (without getting into healing, which changes things a lot). 3.x here is just wonky, with damage mushrooming much faster at high levels, but SODs become the most important thing anyway, so the progression doesn't really matter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7033687, member: 82106"] Yeah, 5e combat is kind of its own thing. Its swingier and less tactically elaborated than 4e, but far less so than AD&D. It certainly isn't as much rocket tag as 3.x but it can get pretty dicey at higher levels. As for the bonus progressions of different games... In AD&D a fighter gets +1/level (or +2/2 levels, whatever) up to needing a 20, which then repeats 6 times in 1e (but not in 2e). Add in expected increase of +3 from magic weapon and +3 from other magic (gauntlets, etc) and you get something like maybe roughly +18 over 12 levels. 4e is built on a +1/level math engine, but level 20 is more like AD&D level 12, so you might consider it to have basically the same progression, or less if you just compare levels 1-to-1. 5e obviously has a much slower progression, I think it was roughly about +1/2 levels, but I haven't played a fighter, so... Of course HP and AC progression are also important. AD&D has little progression of AC, relatively. A level 1 fighter might be AC5, and he might be AC -5 at level 12 (but probably more like -2, depends on the game as it 100% depends on magic). 4e obviously progresses AC the same as to-hit, and 5e is closer to AD&D. So generally in 1e and 5e you'd expect higher level PCs to hit more often. In both of these games though HP progress at a steeper rate than in 4e, so 4e characters take less hits at higher level but have relatively less hit points (without getting into healing, which changes things a lot). 3.x here is just wonky, with damage mushrooming much faster at high levels, but SODs become the most important thing anyway, so the progression doesn't really matter. [/QUOTE]
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