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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 7954192" data-attributes="member: 1210">Actually, the model that debuted the quasi-elemental planes came after the sphere model to which you refer; it's more of a cubic model. In any case, bear in mind that any picture we've had of the planes is one created by mortal scholars to impose a sense of structure on them. I don't take it as given that the model actually represents the arrangement of the planes in anything but the most approximate sense- especially since we've seen multiple different changing models over the years and editions. So I would posit that arrangement of the planes is not simply three-dimensional, as implied by the sphere/cube models, especially as each plane is literally infinite. Instead, I'll offer the idea that the plane of Temporal Energy is at 'right angles' to the elemental planes in yet a different direction than the Positive and Negative Energy Planes are. In other words, I'm happy to make the assumption that the planar arrangement is in four or more dimensions, rather than being one we can fully visualize.This is only true if you discard the notion that there are more ways to be connected than we can visualize in three dimensions.During the era of the sphere model, both of those were considered to be demiplanes, so I don't think the analogy holds. Sure, there's no plane of shadow + earth- and even with the post-3e Shadowfell, they don't connect- but shadow isn't a plane of energy. Time is (at least, using the model I have chosen).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 7954192, member: 1210"] Actually, the model that debuted the quasi-elemental planes came [i]after[/i] the sphere model to which you refer; it's more of a cubic model. In any case, bear in mind that any picture we've had of the planes is one created by mortal scholars to impose a sense of structure on them. I don't take it as given that the model actually represents the arrangement of the planes in anything but the most approximate sense- especially since we've seen multiple different changing models over the years and editions. So I would posit that arrangement of the planes is not simply three-dimensional, as implied by the sphere/cube models, especially as each plane is literally infinite. Instead, I'll offer the idea that the plane of Temporal Energy is at 'right angles' to the elemental planes in yet a different direction than the Positive and Negative Energy Planes are. In other words, I'm happy to make the assumption that the planar arrangement is in four or more dimensions, rather than being one we can fully visualize. This is only true if you discard the notion that there are more ways to be connected than we can visualize in three dimensions. During the era of the sphere model, both of those were considered to be demiplanes, so I don't think the analogy holds. Sure, there's no plane of shadow + earth- and even with the post-3e Shadowfell, they don't connect- but shadow isn't a plane of energy. Time is (at least, using the model I have chosen). [/QUOTE]

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