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<blockquote data-quote="Urriak Uruk" data-source="post: 8649849" data-attributes="member: 7015558"><p>We are going in circles here so I'm going to stop replying soon, but it does seem like the First World is an attempt to re-constitute some 4E lore (much of what James Wyatt wrote himself) into something that also pairs with the new "Multiversal" cosmology that 5E is more recently pushing.</p><p></p><p>Some points in older editions lore;</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Material Plane was first populated and created by the Primordials (also known as Archomentals) who are huge elemental creatures. They include beings like Imix the Fire Lord and Olhyndra the Rain Queen.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The gods arrive on the Material Plane and seed the world with mortal life and try to stabilize the Material Plane to make it less elemental chaos.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The annoys the primordials (who prefer the much more elemental chaos) and they fight the gods for control of the world. Io, the dragon god, is split in twain by a primordial Erek-Hus who is then killed by the newly-formed Bahamut and Tiamat.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It is implied that Io's creation of dragons is what shattered the peace between the primordials and gods, as dragons control elements with their breath... the primordials viewed this as a step too far.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Dawn War is quite complicated and multi-faceted, with many gods and primordials being killed, some primordials imprisoned, and some gods falling to evil. But eventually, it stabilizes into the cosmology of 4E.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Giants are said to be the first races to inhabit many worlds on the Material Plane, and in the Dawn War they are servants of the Primordials. The first battle of the Dawn War was when the giants and titans besieged Stoneroot, seeking to enslave all the dwarves.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">On many worlds (most famously Forgotten Realms), the rule of giants comes to an end when the giant empires and dragons go to war for a thousand years. This stalemate shattered both races power, leading to the rise of the "small-folk" civilizations.</li> </ul><p></p><p>In my view, the First World looks to be an attempt to collate, consolidate, and reincorporate this old lore into 5E to re-knit things like Planescape, Spelljammer, and a Multiverse. [USER=6780330]@Parmandur[/USER] seems to believe that it will be a primordial/giant/orc book that just explains all this stuff more, but I'm thinking it will be a full-one "how to play in the First World" book. It's probably one or the other but the latter is one I both prefer and think makes sense based on what we've seen/are expecting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Urriak Uruk, post: 8649849, member: 7015558"] We are going in circles here so I'm going to stop replying soon, but it does seem like the First World is an attempt to re-constitute some 4E lore (much of what James Wyatt wrote himself) into something that also pairs with the new "Multiversal" cosmology that 5E is more recently pushing. Some points in older editions lore; [LIST] [*]The Material Plane was first populated and created by the Primordials (also known as Archomentals) who are huge elemental creatures. They include beings like Imix the Fire Lord and Olhyndra the Rain Queen. [*]The gods arrive on the Material Plane and seed the world with mortal life and try to stabilize the Material Plane to make it less elemental chaos. [*]The annoys the primordials (who prefer the much more elemental chaos) and they fight the gods for control of the world. Io, the dragon god, is split in twain by a primordial Erek-Hus who is then killed by the newly-formed Bahamut and Tiamat. [*]It is implied that Io's creation of dragons is what shattered the peace between the primordials and gods, as dragons control elements with their breath... the primordials viewed this as a step too far. [*]The Dawn War is quite complicated and multi-faceted, with many gods and primordials being killed, some primordials imprisoned, and some gods falling to evil. But eventually, it stabilizes into the cosmology of 4E. [*]Giants are said to be the first races to inhabit many worlds on the Material Plane, and in the Dawn War they are servants of the Primordials. The first battle of the Dawn War was when the giants and titans besieged Stoneroot, seeking to enslave all the dwarves. [*]On many worlds (most famously Forgotten Realms), the rule of giants comes to an end when the giant empires and dragons go to war for a thousand years. This stalemate shattered both races power, leading to the rise of the "small-folk" civilizations. [/LIST] In my view, the First World looks to be an attempt to collate, consolidate, and reincorporate this old lore into 5E to re-knit things like Planescape, Spelljammer, and a Multiverse. [USER=6780330]@Parmandur[/USER] seems to believe that it will be a primordial/giant/orc book that just explains all this stuff more, but I'm thinking it will be a full-one "how to play in the First World" book. It's probably one or the other but the latter is one I both prefer and think makes sense based on what we've seen/are expecting. [/QUOTE]
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