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Message: <blockquote data-quote="akbearfoot" data-source="post: 4817836" data-attributes="member: 33560">Wraithstrike...nobody in any of my gaming groups has ever even asked the DM if they could find/learn it.  Mutual non-nuclear proliferation pact I think.  Kinda like how nobody has ever taken Black tentacles and the DM never used it again after a module where 1 casting of it almost caused a TPK for 6 characters.What classes even have access to it?  The example I saw above someone said they were an unoptomized 16th level wizard/fighter.  But then they mentioned having feats from several splatbooks, MiC items and SpC spells.So  I'm curious if those wiz/fght levels were actually PrC levels? Racial substitutions, class substitutions etc...any of which can greatly skew an objective comparison.An actual 16th level fighter/wizard is a -really- bad class combination.  Half the HP of a fighter, with half the BaB and half the caster level...Unless possibly it was optimized with only enough caster levels to get access to wraithstrike.  Then use a 2H wounding weapon with power attack and a bag full of pearls of power.  A Twilight Mithril BP with the shield spell and all the other basic protections gives a competative AC while letting you cast your spells.  Pretty much the definition of optimized though.I sorta assume that no DM in his right mind would allow a PC to say....create a Use Activated item of wraithstrike.The melee example above was similar, with the expectation that the melee is running around with the +1 weapon full of enhancment bonuses with a greater magic weapon on all the time.  With the assumption that he has the MWM line of feats and a BaB thats high enough to PA for full and still hit on a 2.  My assumption is that anyone who is optimized to this degree is always the first one to get hit by the Empowered Ray of Enfeeblment, or the Confusion.  Or he gets hit by a Ray of Stupidity or Ego Whip and goes comatose because his charisma is most likely a 6! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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