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<blockquote data-quote="LogantheBard" data-source="post: 5758555" data-attributes="member: 70039">I don't know enough about the rules to give you real answers, but I wish my players were 1/4 this creative.This is how I would play these out on the fly, because I don't like spending time looking up rules at the table:1) I would use the same check/rules as if you had cast it normally.2) I'd have to look this up.&nbsp; Does knowing that a figure is an illusion make it not be seen?&nbsp; or does it let you simply know that it's an illusion?3) I would say yes, it applies.4) I would treat this similar to the Obscuring Mist spell, but wouldn't be able to be blown away by wind.&nbsp; At 6th level, you'd be able to make 10, 10 foot cubes... it wouldn't take the giant but one round to move out of the cloud.5) I'd let the first round give him flank bonus.&nbsp; After the first round of the bird &quot;attacking&quot; the giant would realize nothing hurts, and would ignore it.6) I'd let the bird treat the giant as flatfooted for the first round, then the giant knows that it hurts now, so time to start paying attention, and therefore is now flanked.Again, these would be my on-the-fly rulings.&nbsp; I'm interested on how close I am to the real rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LogantheBard, post: 5758555, member: 70039"] I don't know enough about the rules to give you real answers, but I wish my players were 1/4 this creative. This is how I would play these out on the fly, because I don't like spending time looking up rules at the table: 1) I would use the same check/rules as if you had cast it normally. 2) I'd have to look this up. Does knowing that a figure is an illusion make it not be seen? or does it let you simply know that it's an illusion? 3) I would say yes, it applies. 4) I would treat this similar to the Obscuring Mist spell, but wouldn't be able to be blown away by wind. At 6th level, you'd be able to make 10, 10 foot cubes... it wouldn't take the giant but one round to move out of the cloud. 5) I'd let the first round give him flank bonus. After the first round of the bird "attacking" the giant would realize nothing hurts, and would ignore it. 6) I'd let the bird treat the giant as flatfooted for the first round, then the giant knows that it hurts now, so time to start paying attention, and therefore is now flanked. Again, these would be my on-the-fly rulings. I'm interested on how close I am to the real rules. [/QUOTE]

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