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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 5758899" data-attributes="member: 259">I think you're confusing spellcraft (figure out a spell as it's cast) with knowledge: arcana (figure out what a currently-existing spell is).&nbsp; This is a change from 3.5, IIRC.The argument against spellcrafting wands is that spell triggers are different from spell completion and spellcasting in a couple of ways.&nbsp; Wands have different command words for the same spell, I think. Wands don't provoke an AoO.&nbsp; It seems likely to me that an observer can't figure out the spell by hearing the trigger; this is different from spell-completion scrolls, where an observer who knows spellcraft CAN figure out the spell by watching the motions and hearing the trigger.A successful save vs. illusion allows you to see through it.&nbsp; This is key, because an illusory cloud (for example) provides excellent one-way concealment on the wizard's behalf.&nbsp; The question is whether a spellcraft check allows an automatic save.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 5758899, member: 259"] I think you're confusing spellcraft (figure out a spell as it's cast) with knowledge: arcana (figure out what a currently-existing spell is). This is a change from 3.5, IIRC. The argument against spellcrafting wands is that spell triggers are different from spell completion and spellcasting in a couple of ways. Wands have different command words for the same spell, I think. Wands don't provoke an AoO. It seems likely to me that an observer can't figure out the spell by hearing the trigger; this is different from spell-completion scrolls, where an observer who knows spellcraft CAN figure out the spell by watching the motions and hearing the trigger. A successful save vs. illusion allows you to see through it. This is key, because an illusory cloud (for example) provides excellent one-way concealment on the wizard's behalf. The question is whether a spellcraft check allows an automatic save. [/QUOTE]

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