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Message: <blockquote data-quote="da_deadman" data-source="post: 1054063" data-attributes="member: 9946">There are 2 clear examples of spells in the PHB that are 3rd level wizard spells that have had the metamagic feat applied to them.Chain Lightning which is Lightning with the chain spell metamagic feat.Delayed Fireball Blast which is Fireball with the delay spell metamagic feat.Both of these spells are cast as spells of thier respective levels, this means that they have spell DC and damage dice of their actual spell level.VS a Lightning spell with the chain spell metamagic feat cost a 6th level slot, but has a 3rd level DC and damage. Same for the Fireball spell with a delayed spell metamagic feat; cost an 8th level slot, but has 3rd level DC and damage.Now, taking this into account. Why would anybody use a metamagic feat to accomplish chain lightning or delayed fireball blast? The sole reason (that I can think of) is that they do not "have" the spell in their spellbook yet!Also, with the ability to create your own spells as per the PHB and DMG, why couldn't a spellcaster just create a spell that would do the same things as these two spells do and make them a regular spell?I can think of many reasons TO do this, Clerics that only have 3 spells that need to be persisted (Divine Favor/Power and Righteous Might), SORCS that have to use full round to cast any metamagic spell (but they don't have to use a full round to cast one of these two do they?), To have a cool spell in your spellbook (Yes divine casters can also have a spellbook).On the side of metamagic feats.No need to create a new spell for each application of a metamagic feat.Can use them on new spells that they learn as soon as they learn them.In rare cases can make use of improved metamagic to get the same effects for lower spell slots (although they will also have the lower DC and damage of the base spell).Having both sides of the argument presented, would it be fair to let spells be created that would mimic other metamagic feats, without the need to have the feat or use the feat?Could someone point out a more concrete method of spell creation for the NON-EPIC spellcaster.This woudl make SORCS a lot better overall as would let them cast metamagic (like) spells without the need for full round casting, but would it make them TOO powerfull?Also a cleric that made Divine Favor, Divine Power and Righteous Might into 24 hour spells at 4 levels higher per spell would save 2 feats, but would this necessarily make them TOO Powerfull?</blockquote>

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