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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gwarthkam" data-source="post: 235429" data-attributes="member: 1448">thanks for the answers so far guys.I didn't put in a damage cap in my initial question because I would determine that from the spell level using the caps from DMG p. 95.I don't care bout damage type either, just listed electricity because it's a common damage type, and I wanted to keep it simple.I sought an estimate of the level a spell would need to be in order to deal 1d8/level instead of the usual 1d6/level.There are a few examples for spells affecting more than one creature in PHB with 1d8/level so in that case I got a clue, but since there are no examples of 1d8/level spells for one target I asked for your opinions and preferrably backed by refference to an official source.The close range and ranged touch attack was put in because I wanted to know where you would put the threshold between 1d6 and 1d8 for single creature damage spells, with minimum effort.I'm amazed to see that people would put it as a 2. level spell, I had imagined that 4. would be the lowest imaginable (again I let DMG p. 95 determine damage caps), and my DM would probably say 5. or 6.thanks again for your opinions and advice, please continue the debate.</blockquote>