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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 395699" data-attributes="member: 3146">The problem is that intelligently constructed wizards all have very high DCs for their spells with saves as per the current rules.The iconic wizard will have an effective int of at least 26 (15+5 stat increases+6 (item)) by level 20. That's a DC of 19 for a first level spell.However, characters who use spells that actually have saves take spell focus and (if available) Greater Spell focus for the schools they use (Usually evocation, necromancy, illusion or enchantment but sometimes transmutation). That means that the 20th level wizard most likely casts first level spells at DC 21 or 23.If that wizard really doesn't want the target to save, they can heighten the spell to 9th level for a DC of 30 or 32.If the wizard is not limited to the iconic, it may very well be a grey elf wizard (starting int 20) with spellcasting prodigy and a +4 tome. Such a character's 1st level DCs would be 24 (28 with greater spell focus) and his 9th level greater spell focus DC is 36.If that wizard were to take levels of elemental savant and the bloodline of fire feat, the DC could be pumped well above 40.Really, I don't think that intelligently constructed wizards have any problems pumping their DCs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 395699, member: 3146"] The problem is that intelligently constructed wizards all have very high DCs for their spells with saves as per the current rules. The iconic wizard will have an effective int of at least 26 (15+5 stat increases+6 (item)) by level 20. That's a DC of 19 for a first level spell. However, characters who use spells that actually have saves take spell focus and (if available) Greater Spell focus for the schools they use (Usually evocation, necromancy, illusion or enchantment but sometimes transmutation). That means that the 20th level wizard most likely casts first level spells at DC 21 or 23. If that wizard really doesn't want the target to save, they can heighten the spell to 9th level for a DC of 30 or 32. If the wizard is not limited to the iconic, it may very well be a grey elf wizard (starting int 20) with spellcasting prodigy and a +4 tome. Such a character's 1st level DCs would be 24 (28 with greater spell focus) and his 9th level greater spell focus DC is 36. If that wizard were to take levels of elemental savant and the bloodline of fire feat, the DC could be pumped well above 40. Really, I don't think that intelligently constructed wizards have any problems pumping their DCs. [/QUOTE]

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