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<blockquote data-quote="Warskull" data-source="post: 6291073" data-attributes="member: 6775133">DC8 makes a bit of sense when you think about it.The caster gets DC8+[Stat they know they put points into]+[nearly guaranteed proficiency bonus]The target gets D20+[Stat they maybe use]+[proficiency bonus they maybe get.]So if you shoot your Wisdom save spell into a target that focuses on wisdom and has a proficiency on wisdom saves, yes you are looking at a poor chance of success.&nbsp; If they match your bonuses you only have a 35% chance of landing your spell.However, the Mage probably isn't going to throw his wisdom save at the equally statted Cleric.&nbsp; He can pick a fortitude save vs the cleric and throw his wisdom save against the barbarian.&nbsp; The Mage is almost guaranteed to have a good stat and proficiency bonus.&nbsp; The target only has a chance at having a good save and the smart mage can specifically target weak saves.Essentially, the lower DC is compensating for the mage's home court advantage when casting.&nbsp; He's always casting from a favorable stat.&nbsp; He is rarely casting into an opponents favorable stat.&nbsp; Also, monsters don't even have save proficiencies in the last playtest packet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Warskull, post: 6291073, member: 6775133"] DC8 makes a bit of sense when you think about it. The caster gets DC8+[Stat they know they put points into]+[nearly guaranteed proficiency bonus] The target gets D20+[Stat they maybe use]+[proficiency bonus they maybe get.] So if you shoot your Wisdom save spell into a target that focuses on wisdom and has a proficiency on wisdom saves, yes you are looking at a poor chance of success. If they match your bonuses you only have a 35% chance of landing your spell. However, the Mage probably isn't going to throw his wisdom save at the equally statted Cleric. He can pick a fortitude save vs the cleric and throw his wisdom save against the barbarian. The Mage is almost guaranteed to have a good stat and proficiency bonus. The target only has a chance at having a good save and the smart mage can specifically target weak saves. Essentially, the lower DC is compensating for the mage's home court advantage when casting. He's always casting from a favorable stat. He is rarely casting into an opponents favorable stat. Also, monsters don't even have save proficiencies in the last playtest packet. [/QUOTE]

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