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Spell Focus 3.5: WAH! Was it that bad?
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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1041147" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>Dominate was changed EXTENSIVELY in 3.5 The bonus to the save when ordered to do something against one's nature is no longer discretionary but is set.</p><p></p><p>More importantly, unlike all previous dominates which permitted characters to accomplish their orders by any means they chose and to act on their own initiative when not following orders, 3.5 Dominate doesn't appear to permit dominated characters to do anything (except eat and sleep) without orders or to pervert the intent of orders by following their letter rather than their spirit. </p><p></p><p>The spell also allows the character who cast the dominate spell to read the victim's interpretation of his sense perceptions (this sounds clear in the description of the spell but is marvelously unclear when you think about it since it specifies that you can't see through the victim's eyes and nothing indicates that it's full-blown mind-reading yet "a good idea of what's going on" would require either the reading of surface thoughts--in which case why only those related to perceiving the world around him would be heard is questionable--or seeing through the victim's eyes (which is specifically excluded).</p><p></p><p>It's a dramatic change from all previous domination spells and makes the spell far less interesting to play with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 1041147, member: 3146"] Dominate was changed EXTENSIVELY in 3.5 The bonus to the save when ordered to do something against one's nature is no longer discretionary but is set. More importantly, unlike all previous dominates which permitted characters to accomplish their orders by any means they chose and to act on their own initiative when not following orders, 3.5 Dominate doesn't appear to permit dominated characters to do anything (except eat and sleep) without orders or to pervert the intent of orders by following their letter rather than their spirit. The spell also allows the character who cast the dominate spell to read the victim's interpretation of his sense perceptions (this sounds clear in the description of the spell but is marvelously unclear when you think about it since it specifies that you can't see through the victim's eyes and nothing indicates that it's full-blown mind-reading yet "a good idea of what's going on" would require either the reading of surface thoughts--in which case why only those related to perceiving the world around him would be heard is questionable--or seeing through the victim's eyes (which is specifically excluded). It's a dramatic change from all previous domination spells and makes the spell far less interesting to play with. [/QUOTE]
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