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<blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 1074965" data-attributes="member: 7211"><p>You are comparing a wizard casting a spell (standard action) and most spells are non-touch versus a fighter getting all his attacks (full-round action) and he is already within melee range.</p><p></p><p>A wizard should never, ever let a fighter (or similarly brutish monster) get a FRA unless the wizard has prepared extensive defenses (stoneskin, displacement, contingency, etc). On the other hand, most of the time a fighter can do little to nothing to stop a wizard targetting them with a spell, as line of sight is all they need.</p><p></p><p>But just like you can't gauge a monster's relative power by dueling it with another monsters, neither can you with character classes.</p><p></p><p>Weapon Focus is better than Spell Focus, hands-down. But Weapon Focus is more than just a feat, for fighters it is practically a class ability. The same with Weapon Specialization, its more than just a feat, its a class ability (like Track for rangers). If there was a very good feat that was called "Spell Specialization" and required Wiz4 or Sor4 it would still be nowhere near as good as weapon specialization, they are 2 different attack forms.</p><p></p><p>Elder-Basilisk has given extensive analysis over the reduced Spell Focus (and I think it relates to reduced DCs in general) and I agree with his results. However, in my experience, arcane spellcasters always started with a 17 or 18, always took Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus and frequently would be tossing spells that monsters had a 20-30% chance of passing (like Polymorph). Its not much fun having a random encounter dragon go down on Initiative Count 14 of round 1 to 1 spell.</p><p></p><p>While I feel bad that it hurts spellcasters who dont have the best stats or who dont have access to magic "stores" where they can immediately purchase the next best spellcasting attribute item, I think it will make my games more enjoyable. It still is a good feat if DCs are your bag, it gives you another 5% chance of the spell going off. I think the horse might have been beaten too much - for instance if you still play with 3.0 haste but nerf down the foci, then your game will be more balanced.</p><p></p><p>Technik</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Technik4, post: 1074965, member: 7211"] You are comparing a wizard casting a spell (standard action) and most spells are non-touch versus a fighter getting all his attacks (full-round action) and he is already within melee range. A wizard should never, ever let a fighter (or similarly brutish monster) get a FRA unless the wizard has prepared extensive defenses (stoneskin, displacement, contingency, etc). On the other hand, most of the time a fighter can do little to nothing to stop a wizard targetting them with a spell, as line of sight is all they need. But just like you can't gauge a monster's relative power by dueling it with another monsters, neither can you with character classes. Weapon Focus is better than Spell Focus, hands-down. But Weapon Focus is more than just a feat, for fighters it is practically a class ability. The same with Weapon Specialization, its more than just a feat, its a class ability (like Track for rangers). If there was a very good feat that was called "Spell Specialization" and required Wiz4 or Sor4 it would still be nowhere near as good as weapon specialization, they are 2 different attack forms. Elder-Basilisk has given extensive analysis over the reduced Spell Focus (and I think it relates to reduced DCs in general) and I agree with his results. However, in my experience, arcane spellcasters always started with a 17 or 18, always took Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus and frequently would be tossing spells that monsters had a 20-30% chance of passing (like Polymorph). Its not much fun having a random encounter dragon go down on Initiative Count 14 of round 1 to 1 spell. While I feel bad that it hurts spellcasters who dont have the best stats or who dont have access to magic "stores" where they can immediately purchase the next best spellcasting attribute item, I think it will make my games more enjoyable. It still is a good feat if DCs are your bag, it gives you another 5% chance of the spell going off. I think the horse might have been beaten too much - for instance if you still play with 3.0 haste but nerf down the foci, then your game will be more balanced. Technik [/QUOTE]
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