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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 3597849" data-attributes="member: 9789">After thinking about this a bit more, I still like the idea of a Knowledge check, but I don't know if I want the spell to "make a new check," because that seems like a weird mechanic.  Perhaps this description:Description:  The caster is granted information about the target as if she had made a Knowledge check of the appropriate type with a roll of 10, using her own bonuses and ranks as appropriate.  If the caster has no ranks in the appropriate skill, she is considered to have 1/2 rank for the purposes of this spell.  Even if the Knowledge check fails to produce any new or useful information, it always reveals the target creature's type and subtype(s), if any - however, any spell that disguises a creature's type or subtype also fools this spell.Also, I think the "close" mechanic does a decent job of balancing the usefulness of this spell.  I was wondering if it should also include itself as one of the spells that works through a scrying spell, but that may increase the power too much.  And lastly, I'm still fairly sure that requiring a round of combat to be useful (although easily quickened for the price of a 5th level spell) limits its power to a good place in high-level combat.Overall the biggest problem I see with this whole spell design is really with the Knowledge skill itself.  At least for all pre-MM4 monsters, it is very vague as to how much it gives away.  How much do you really tell your players on a good roll, since Knowledge checks can influence the battle a great deal?  And the "10 + HD" mechanic is clearly out of whack with most monsters.  15 + CR would be much better.</blockquote>

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