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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pbartender" data-source="post: 1167220" data-attributes="member: 7533">Hadn't really thought about it that way, but it certainly makes sense.  I was looking at it in two (maybe three) other different ways...1. A rogue is in hiding, while a group of orcs walk by.  He waits until they pass, and decides to pop out and sneak attack the last one.  He takes a five foot step out of concealment (assume he succeeds at the 'normal' Hide/Move Silently checks, so none of the orcs notice him), makes his full sneak attack killing the orc.  During the attack, he must make another Hide/Move Silently check at a -20 penalty or the other orcs notice him.  If he succeeds at that extraordinary feat, they don't know he's there, even after he's killed their buddy.  He can try to sneak attack another, or go back into hiding.2. A confusing melee.  The rogue had been hiding, but came out to attack an enemy.  The other enemies are busy fighting the other heroes, and so don't have much attention to spare looking watching the rogue (in other words, only the rogue's direct melee opponent is 'observing' him).  Assuming he can make that Hide/Move Silently check at -20, he can remain out of the notice of the other preoccupied enemies while attacking his personal foe (perhaps even by hiding behind the concealment his foe provides in melee).  This is much like what you proposed, but it uses one enemy to hide from the other enemies, instead of using a friend to hide from all enemies.3 (maybe).  Essentially, I was thinking of this -20 modifier in the same way as the 'attacking' penalty of the standard Invisibility spell...  When you attack, the invisibility stops working.  In the same vein, when you attack, you are no longer hiding from anyone, unless you can make an extraordinary Hide check at a -20 penalty.No one's really disputed that, and it has no bearing on whether a character can Hide while attacking in melee.I think that's exactly what I meant to say first time (but didn't quite), and did say this time.</blockquote>

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