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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6554349" data-attributes="member: 92511">&quot;Spell-less Ranger&quot; = Ranger with no spells. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Well yes, you've basically got it. A wilderness expert [read as, &quot;skill monkey&quot;] and warrior guy that, simply, doesn't rely on magic. What weapons/fighting type, really has nothing to do with it (and gods, what would I give for the concept of two-weapon fighting to be divorced from rangers).Favored/preferred terrain stuff. Preferred/favored enemy stuff. Ambush/skirmishing expert. Tracking (obviously, the iconic feature), Survival, Stealth (in wilderness settings for sure, but easily extrapolated to anywhere or any favored terrain), Detecting traps, Laying/setting traps as well, Animal Handling/Empathy/Training, Nature Lore, [non-magical] Healing/First Aid, Languages one would need/know from being out among the wild that &quot;civilized&quot; folks probably don't know, Perception/Search/Keen Senses...seems the Ranger has more than enough potential skills, even as compared to the actual &quot;skill class&quot; of Rogue, to warrant its own &quot;archetype&quot;/sub-class.&nbsp;&nbsp; The Aragorn archetype, really, is a spell-less ranger until [in D&amp;D terms] you would get into higher levels/moves into his role of &quot;king&quot; and things from the books like his &quot;healing hands&quot; [used on Eowyn and Faramir vs. the herb lore he uses on Frodo] and being able to use the palantir come into play [hence the original class' ability to use magic items that involved clairvoyance and/or ESP -normally restricted to mages only]. In many ways/D&amp;D terms, Aragorn is a [spell-less] Ranger who becomes a [magical ability] Paladin in accepting his role/destiny of king by the end.EDIT for an afterthought: Aragorn &quot;the Ranger&quot; had the appearance of &quot;magic use&quot; because he had knowledge the hobbits and &quot;normal&quot; [&quot;civilized&quot;] men didn't. He had elvin lore and training and Numenorean lore/blood/history. So his knowledge of undead (fighting off the wraiths with fire/light), being particularly effective battling orcs, &quot;stop gap&quot; healing via herb lore, &quot;advanced&quot; tracking ability, etc... had nothing to do with &quot;magic use&quot;, as D&amp;D defines the term.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6554349, member: 92511"] "Spell-less Ranger" = Ranger with no spells. :) Well yes, you've basically got it. A wilderness expert [read as, "skill monkey"] and warrior guy that, simply, doesn't rely on magic. What weapons/fighting type, really has nothing to do with it (and gods, what would I give for the concept of two-weapon fighting to be divorced from rangers). Favored/preferred terrain stuff. Preferred/favored enemy stuff. Ambush/skirmishing expert. Tracking (obviously, the iconic feature), Survival, Stealth (in wilderness settings for sure, but easily extrapolated to anywhere or any favored terrain), Detecting traps, Laying/setting traps as well, Animal Handling/Empathy/Training, Nature Lore, [non-magical] Healing/First Aid, Languages one would need/know from being out among the wild that "civilized" folks probably don't know, Perception/Search/Keen Senses...seems the Ranger has more than enough potential skills, even as compared to the actual "skill class" of Rogue, to warrant its own "archetype"/sub-class. The Aragorn archetype, really, is a spell-less ranger until [in D&D terms] you would get into higher levels/moves into his role of "king" and things from the books like his "healing hands" [used on Eowyn and Faramir vs. the herb lore he uses on Frodo] and being able to use the palantir come into play [hence the original class' ability to use magic items that involved clairvoyance and/or ESP -normally restricted to mages only]. In many ways/D&D terms, Aragorn is a [spell-less] Ranger who becomes a [magical ability] Paladin in accepting his role/destiny of king by the end. EDIT for an afterthought: Aragorn "the Ranger" had the [I]appearance[/I] of "magic use" because he had knowledge the hobbits and "normal" ["civilized"] men didn't. He had elvin lore and training and Numenorean lore/blood/history. So his knowledge of undead (fighting off the wraiths with fire/light), being particularly effective battling orcs, "stop gap" healing via herb lore, "advanced" tracking ability, etc... had nothing to do with "magic use", as D&D defines the term. [/QUOTE]

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