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<blockquote data-quote="Roadie" data-source="post: 5527422" data-attributes="member: 6670219"><p>Some existing 3.5 material that already has this kind of thing:</p><p></p><p>- <em>Complete Arcane</em>, the Warlock class. It's quite strong at low level (with an at-will ray attack) but that power drops off quick as other classes get more versatility and more raw power than the Warlock's limited bag of tricks.</p><p></p><p>- <em>Dragon Magic</em>, the Dragonfire Adept class. It's basically a Warlock except with a breath weapon instead of a ray attack, with the same sorts of strengths and weaknesses.</p><p></p><p>- <em>Magic of Incarnum</em>, the Incarnate and Totemist classes (Soulborn is lame, don't use it). They create soulmelds that act like pseudo-magical equipment and give special abilities that can generally be used at-will, with essentia points that they shuffle around between soulmelds to distribute their power. They can be fairly strong but take a lot of fiddling and synergizing with picking the right soulmelds and using them the right way.</p><p></p><p>- <em>Tome of Battle</em>, the Crusader, Swordsage, and Warblade classes. They follow a "sword saint" theme, taking martial power into the realm of the supernatural. They get a set of powers that can each be used once in an encounter before needing to use some special condition to recharge (random shuffling for a Crusader, a full-round action for a Swordsage*, or spending a standard action to attack or perform a weapon kata for a Warblade). More powerful than a Fighter, less powerful than a spellcaster; most notably, they can be very tough nuts to crack if built right, with things like temporary hit points, healing, concealment, enhanced movement, enhanced Will saves, and so on.</p><p></p><p>* Well, this part depends on taking a particular feat, but pretty much every Swordsage will take that feat.</p><p></p><p>- <em>Tome of Magic</em>, the Binder class. It binds vestiges each day that give packages of abilities - some at-will, some once every 5 rounds, some continuous. More powerful than the Warlock but not nearly as game-breaking than a normal spellcaster.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Roadie, post: 5527422, member: 6670219"] Some existing 3.5 material that already has this kind of thing: - [i]Complete Arcane[/i], the Warlock class. It's quite strong at low level (with an at-will ray attack) but that power drops off quick as other classes get more versatility and more raw power than the Warlock's limited bag of tricks. - [i]Dragon Magic[/i], the Dragonfire Adept class. It's basically a Warlock except with a breath weapon instead of a ray attack, with the same sorts of strengths and weaknesses. - [i]Magic of Incarnum[/i], the Incarnate and Totemist classes (Soulborn is lame, don't use it). They create soulmelds that act like pseudo-magical equipment and give special abilities that can generally be used at-will, with essentia points that they shuffle around between soulmelds to distribute their power. They can be fairly strong but take a lot of fiddling and synergizing with picking the right soulmelds and using them the right way. - [i]Tome of Battle[/i], the Crusader, Swordsage, and Warblade classes. They follow a "sword saint" theme, taking martial power into the realm of the supernatural. They get a set of powers that can each be used once in an encounter before needing to use some special condition to recharge (random shuffling for a Crusader, a full-round action for a Swordsage*, or spending a standard action to attack or perform a weapon kata for a Warblade). More powerful than a Fighter, less powerful than a spellcaster; most notably, they can be very tough nuts to crack if built right, with things like temporary hit points, healing, concealment, enhanced movement, enhanced Will saves, and so on. * Well, this part depends on taking a particular feat, but pretty much every Swordsage will take that feat. - [i]Tome of Magic[/i], the Binder class. It binds vestiges each day that give packages of abilities - some at-will, some once every 5 rounds, some continuous. More powerful than the Warlock but not nearly as game-breaking than a normal spellcaster. [/QUOTE]
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