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<blockquote data-quote="sledged" data-source="post: 1699187" data-attributes="member: 17045"><p>From the core rule books and the SRD:</p><p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: right">- PHB, page 180 and the file MagicOverview.rtf</p> <p style="text-align: right"></p><p></p><p> I'd like to note at this point that both the SRD and PHB say the same thing (except that the SRD lacks the examples in the PHB). On page 142 of the PHB (the file CombatI.rtf of the SRD), it says that using a SLA "is 1 standard action, unless the ability description notes otherwise", and the file MagicOverview.rtf of the SRD (page 180 of the PHB) says that using a SLA is "1 standard action unless noted otherwise in the ability or spell description." So the PHB and the SRD don't contradict each other so much as the rules contradicting themselves.</p><p> </p><p> Continuing on:</p><p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: right">- MM, page 315 and the file TypesSubtypesAbilities.rtf</p> <p style="text-align: right"></p><p></p><p> And from Skip's article:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Of course not. The ability description doesn’t give all the information you need to know to know on how to use them. That’s what the rules on SLAs are for.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> If by "what they do," you mean the effects, according to the SLA rules, you look up the spell descriptions for the sorcerer/wizard versions of the spells the SLAs mimic because "A monster’s spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order." (MM, 135 and TypesSubtypesAbilities.rtf) In terms of DCs, caster level (for level dependant effects and caster level checks for overcoming SR), and how they interact with spells like <em>dispel magic</em> and <em>antimagic field</em>, you use the rules concerning SLAs, which can be found on pages 142 and 180 in the PHG, page 289 in the DMG, page 315 in the MM, in the files <a href="http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/CombatI.rtf" target="_blank">CombatI.rtf</a>, <a href="http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/MagicOverview.rtf" target="_blank">MagicOverview.rtf</a>, <a href="http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/AbilitiesandConditions.rtf" target="_blank">AbilitiesandConditions.rtf</a>, and <a href="http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/TypesSubtypesAbilities.rtf" target="_blank">TypesSubtypesAbilities.rtf</a> of the SRD, and parts <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040413a" target="_blank">one</a>, <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040420a" target="_blank">two</a>, <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040504a" target="_blank">three</a>, and <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040504a" target="_blank">four</a> of Skip Williams' article <em>All About Spell-Like Abilities</em>.</p><p> </p><p> Now, if by "what they do," you mean how they're activated and what's required (i.e. components, focus, XP cost, time required, etc...), you again use the SLA rules in the locations noted above.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sledged, post: 1699187, member: 17045"] From the core rule books and the SRD: [right]- PHB, page 180 and the file MagicOverview.rtf [/right] I'd like to note at this point that both the SRD and PHB say the same thing (except that the SRD lacks the examples in the PHB). On page 142 of the PHB (the file CombatI.rtf of the SRD), it says that using a SLA "is 1 standard action, unless the ability description notes otherwise", and the file MagicOverview.rtf of the SRD (page 180 of the PHB) says that using a SLA is "1 standard action unless noted otherwise in the ability or spell description." So the PHB and the SRD don't contradict each other so much as the rules contradicting themselves. Continuing on: [right]- MM, page 315 and the file TypesSubtypesAbilities.rtf [/right] And from Skip's article: Of course not. The ability description doesn’t give all the information you need to know to know on how to use them. That’s what the rules on SLAs are for. If by "what they do," you mean the effects, according to the SLA rules, you look up the spell descriptions for the sorcerer/wizard versions of the spells the SLAs mimic because "A monster’s spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order." (MM, 135 and TypesSubtypesAbilities.rtf) In terms of DCs, caster level (for level dependant effects and caster level checks for overcoming SR), and how they interact with spells like [i]dispel magic[/i] and [i]antimagic field[/i], you use the rules concerning SLAs, which can be found on pages 142 and 180 in the PHG, page 289 in the DMG, page 315 in the MM, in the files [url=http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/CombatI.rtf]CombatI.rtf[/url], [url=http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/MagicOverview.rtf]MagicOverview.rtf[/url], [url=http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/AbilitiesandConditions.rtf]AbilitiesandConditions.rtf[/url], and [url=http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/TypesSubtypesAbilities.rtf]TypesSubtypesAbilities.rtf[/url] of the SRD, and parts [url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040413a]one[/url], [url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040420a]two[/url], [url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040504a]three[/url], and [url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040504a]four[/url] of Skip Williams' article [i]All About Spell-Like Abilities[/i]. Now, if by "what they do," you mean how they're activated and what's required (i.e. components, focus, XP cost, time required, etc...), you again use the SLA rules in the locations noted above. [/QUOTE]
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