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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 1732243" data-attributes="member: 18280">Now allow me to cut and paste from my previous response to...why, to YOU!(Shrug) Obviously, you can go with either the summation data, or the details of the spell. I, for one, would not expect the summation data to make fine distinctions. That would appear in the detailed description. Or so I would assume. Maybe it's just me.EDIT:  This is no different from having a spell target "creature touched" and then specify in its description that the spell does not affect oozes.  One would not claim that it affects oozes because it does not exclude them in the summary data.  Moreover, the description may include targets or effects that are not listed in the summary data, as we all know.Yes, if you assume that the summary data in the spell listing is a full account of the spell, then you have provided a counter example.  However, as the detailed description includes all of the following statments in red, I am not surprised that you failed to quote it:This spell turns the bones or bodies of dead creatures into undead skeletons or zombies that follow your spoken commands.The bones or bodies?  What is this?  Surely bones are bodies!Skeletons: A skeleton can be created only from a mostly intact corpse or skeleton. The corpse must have bones. If a skeleton is made from a corpse, the flesh falls off the bones. How can a skeleton be made from a corpse if they are the same thing?  What's the difference between the two?  Why the flesh on the bones!Zombies: A zombie can be created only from a mostly intact corpse. The corpse must be that of a creature with a true anatomy.Wait a second...where have I heard that "mostly intact corpse" phrase from before?  Perhaps I am thinking of "You can cast this spell on a corpse that has been deceased for any amount of time, but the body must be mostly intact to be able to respond" from speak with dead!But, then, you already know this because it's been previously pointed out, right?  So how is this a counter example?RCp.s.:  It's easy to make an argument if your goal isn't discovery of the truth.  All you have to do is throw out anything, no matter what, that seems to support your position.  And make sure you avoid responding to anything that directly refutes what you've thrown out.RC</blockquote>

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