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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 1747568" data-attributes="member: 14451">Dang, I didn't know that my little thread had gained in such a fashion. Special thanks to Raven Crownking for standing up to the pack of hungry players.   You really have to be kidding me with this one. A corpse has a mouth, a 5,000 year old skeleton does not. If you look at a skeleton and see a mouth, then you need glasses. A skeleton has a jaw bone at most, most of the debate came from the fact that a mouth needs at least lips and a throat to be considered a mouth. Yes, undead can speak, if they have Intelligence, like vampires, liches and the like, but non intelligent undead can't speak, like skeletons and zombies. Zombies might moan, but skeletons make no noise what-so-ever. (clarification for you Liberals out there, yes, if they walk over a creaky floor board they make noise, I mean they can't speak) Why? You could say that it is because they are dumb, or that they have no vocal cords, or that magic didn't work that way for them, but if you did, you would be reading to much into it.  I did love the people who replied that they always follow what the DM says and then in the next paragraph say that this DM, being me, was wrong. The sad thing is that the player didn't even try to make an attempt to even try and communicate with the dead. So the spell didn't work as intended, so what. If you cast a fireball for 10d6 damage and you roll all 1s and the enemies make their saving throw, so the hoard of 11 hit point Orcs only take ten damage, what do you do? Do you A) whine and moan that the game sucks, B) blame the DM for your misfortune, C) throw out your dice, D) get mad at WOTC for making rules that cap a fireball at 10D6 and piss and moan about it to everyone who will listen or E) cast another one? As a DM you can't go through all spells and hand out a sheet saying that this spell and that spell doesn't work as you want it too. Most players meta game around knowing how all spells work and build their character accordingly. So, why get mad when I decide that the spell works exactly as it is stated. Also, for the person who commented that I would try to kill a player for casting a wish, if I was so mean on a simple speak with dead spell, you are mistaken. I am more than fair on high level magic. Yes, I will seek a way to thwart your wish if you say, 'I wish for the power of Elminster' or 'I wish for the staff of Asmodeos,' but if you follow the guidelines in the book, I offer great leway.  Bottomline, I was the DM making a ruling and I am sticking by it. I have my style of play and if he really didn't like it, he would drop out. He has, however, remained in the game, in fact, he is the one who always shows up, so as a DM, I must be doing something right.</blockquote>

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