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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 7360997" data-attributes="member: 92511">Oh ,well, yeah...You'd probably have to scrap that/houserule 'em. You have to put the type of magic as a real and actual thing in the game world.So if a spell is on the cleric and paladin list, it is clearly a &quot;divine magic&quot; spell. If that doesn't appear on the Bard spell list...you can just say, you recognize the cipher but don't understand/can't cast the spell...which, for me strains a bit of credulity. Whereas a good paladin could look at a heroism scroll written by an evil priest, recognize it as a spell in Fiendish/unholy magic and be unable to use it...while a bard still could or an evil paladin could.I'd probably just say, if it is a certain kind of &quot;cipher&quot; is the kind you could access, but the specific spell doesn't appear on your spell list, make a spellcasting ability check v. the scroll's DC (say something like 8 + spell level, assuming the scribner's ability/prof bonus is unknown) to figure it out/cast it properly. &quot;Hmmm. I know this kind of magic. I've seen this sort of spell before but it's not one I've ever tried before...I can try...&quot; &lt;roll ability check&gt; it works or it doesn't...and if you want to get interesting, throw a Wild Magic surge roll in there for a badly botched attempt. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The bard will never be able to &quot;know/learn&quot; Dispel Evil. The paladin will never be able to pray for Speak with Dead. etc... But they both can figure out how to use/cast it from a scroll.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 7360997, member: 92511"] Oh ,well, yeah...You'd probably have to scrap that/houserule 'em. You have to put the type of magic as a real and actual thing in the game world. So if a spell is on the cleric and paladin list, it is clearly a "divine magic" spell. If that doesn't appear on the Bard spell list...you can just say, you recognize the cipher but don't understand/can't cast the spell...which, for me strains a bit of credulity. Whereas a good paladin could look at a heroism scroll written by an evil priest, recognize it as a spell in Fiendish/unholy magic and be unable to use it...while a bard still could or an evil paladin could. I'd probably just say, if it is a certain kind of "cipher" is the kind you could access, but the specific spell doesn't appear on your spell list, make a spellcasting ability check v. the scroll's DC (say something like 8 + spell level, assuming the scribner's ability/prof bonus is unknown) to figure it out/cast it properly. "Hmmm. I know this kind of magic. I've seen this sort of spell before but it's not one I've ever tried before...I can try..." <roll ability check> it works or it doesn't...and if you want to get interesting, throw a Wild Magic surge roll in there for a badly botched attempt. :) The bard will never be able to "know/learn" Dispel Evil. The paladin will never be able to pray for Speak with Dead. etc... But they both can figure out how to use/cast it from a scroll. [/QUOTE]

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