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<blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 1555306" data-attributes="member: 1757"><p>Impressive list or not, it's still less than 1/4 the number of possible attack spells out there; and, once mind blank comes into the picture, a smaller list on which to take the chance of having spell turning (as opposed to the bevy of lovely spells available at this level, including <em>forcecage</em>, <em>reverse gravity</em>, and <em>greater teleport</em>).</p><p></p><p>If you play MB this way, you've got other problems than <em>spell turning</em> issues. The spell "protects against" mind-affecting effects; I don't see anything in the spell description requiring the protected creature to ignore beneficial ones.</p><p>Ya can't have it both ways; either <em>dispel magic</em> is an effective tactic or it isn't. If it's only got a 35% chance of working in the first place, that dropping 5% for each level higher than 13th that this hypothetical wizard casting ST is in the first place, it's not really so scary as to militate spending a 7th-level spell slot all to its lonesome.</p><p></p><p>Again, Pax, I'm not saying that ST is useless; I'm just saying that it would still be a well-balanced spell, and more in line with the broader-application defensive spells out there, if it at least covered the more common single-target attacks like rays.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ruleslawyer, post: 1555306, member: 1757"] Impressive list or not, it's still less than 1/4 the number of possible attack spells out there; and, once mind blank comes into the picture, a smaller list on which to take the chance of having spell turning (as opposed to the bevy of lovely spells available at this level, including [i]forcecage[/i], [i]reverse gravity[/i], and [i]greater teleport[/i]). If you play MB this way, you've got other problems than [i]spell turning[/i] issues. The spell "protects against" mind-affecting effects; I don't see anything in the spell description requiring the protected creature to ignore beneficial ones. Ya can't have it both ways; either [i]dispel magic[/i] is an effective tactic or it isn't. If it's only got a 35% chance of working in the first place, that dropping 5% for each level higher than 13th that this hypothetical wizard casting ST is in the first place, it's not really so scary as to militate spending a 7th-level spell slot all to its lonesome. Again, Pax, I'm not saying that ST is useless; I'm just saying that it would still be a well-balanced spell, and more in line with the broader-application defensive spells out there, if it at least covered the more common single-target attacks like rays. [/QUOTE]
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