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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ConcreteBuddha" data-source="post: 1555762" data-attributes="member: 3139">We are talking about a normal game, right? So there may be one NPC in the entire game with that level of spell penetration. Every other NPC is stuck with SP and possibly GSP.The other +6 that you are getting from mysterious sources does not really matter, IMHO. Besides, the bead of karma boosts the cleric's SR by four.  I also forgot the orange ioun stone. I'd add in spell girding (effectively making it +2SR), but then I might have to add something from another non-core source, so I'll leave that out.This is also neglecting that most NPCs are lower caster level in the first place. (Unless your campaign is abnormal)So say a PC cleric has 12 +cl +5 (bead of karma and orange ioun stone, both core) The NPC would have 1d20 +cl +4 (SP and GSP)17 to 14.5 if their caster levels are the same. PC Cleric wins 57.5% of the time. A fifth level spell that has that level of protection versus almost every attack spell is pretty stinking good. Better than the one spell you get from spell turning. So if you get targeted by two spells a day while SR is up, you are a bit better than ST, three and you are superior.At high levels, are you targetted by three or more spells in 38 minutes? Heck ya!All from a fifth level spell.That's also assuming that the caster levels are the same. (Which would mean one caster at your level for a balanced encounter. Two casters of your level would be overpowering.) Most encounters have casters that are 1 or more caster levels lower than the PCs.Of which a PC cleric has a better than average chance of ignoring, considering a PC is generally a higher caster level than NPCs, the bead of karma, and the orange ioun stone.And anyway, True Seeing says it sees through illusions. Mirror Image creates illusions. Nondetection effects a creature or an object, not the mirror images surrounding you. (At least, that's my interpretation of it.)Hence why I deem mirror image obsolete.</blockquote>

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