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<blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2612969" data-attributes="member: 31734">More HypotheticalsIf a wizard targets two opponents with HW 400ft away, one with spell turning and one without, can the HW even affect the wizard?&nbsp; Keep in mind that if you say yes, then the condition of &quot;no two of which can be more than 60 ft. apart&quot; is violated.&nbsp;And then the question is, at what point does a spell no longer qualify as 'your own'?&nbsp; Assume there are special abilities (feat, spell, or whatever, similar to spell turning) that changed someone's spell as it was cast or as it took effect.&nbsp; e.g.a. Who set the caster level? I might have a feat that alters the caster level to the minimum for that level spell.b. Who chose the targets? Spell turning changes this.c. Whose ability scores set the save DC? A wand could change this.&nbsp; Or, how about a spell effect that lowers the DC of any spell entering an area?d. Most importantly, who cast the spell? A weapon, perhaps?&nbsp;This is a different subject entirely.&nbsp; Are you stating that one spell can generate only a single effect?&nbsp; Granted, 'effect' is not well-defined, so make sure you include what you mean by a definition as it will have significant consequences.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Infiniti2000, post: 2612969, member: 31734"] [b]More Hypotheticals[/b] If a wizard targets two opponents with HW 400ft away, one with spell turning and one without, can the HW even affect the wizard? Keep in mind that if you say yes, then the condition of "no two of which can be more than 60 ft. apart" is violated. And then the question is, at what point does a spell no longer qualify as 'your own'? Assume there are special abilities (feat, spell, or whatever, similar to spell turning) that changed someone's spell as it was cast or as it took effect. e.g. a. Who set the caster level? I might have a feat that alters the caster level to the minimum for that level spell. b. Who chose the targets? Spell turning changes this. c. Whose ability scores set the save DC? A wand could change this. Or, how about a spell effect that lowers the DC of any spell entering an area? d. Most importantly, who cast the spell? A weapon, perhaps? This is a different subject entirely. Are you stating that one spell can generate only a single effect? Granted, 'effect' is not well-defined, so make sure you include what you mean by a definition as it will have significant consequences. [/QUOTE]

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