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<blockquote data-quote="evildmguy" data-source="post: 534281" data-attributes="member: 6092">okayGreetings!I had it be a full round action, one to find and one to cast.&nbsp; That's me.&nbsp; Lucius: From the PH:&nbsp;So, to answer your question as to why use scrolls, scrolls take a heck of a lot less time to create!&nbsp; Also, if you use the partial xp rules (&lt;1000 takes an hour per 150 XP), scrolls are even that much faster!&nbsp; Scribing a 5th level spell into a spellbook takes 6 days and 1000 gp.&nbsp; IIRC, 2E was better for the wizards but worse for the other party members, for both of these.&nbsp; Learn time for a spell was measured in hours, which meant that 9th level spells could be learned in a day.&nbsp; That gives the 2E wizard a lot of spells.&nbsp; This is also why the rules exist to use another's spell book to learn a spell but it must be rolled every time they use it.&nbsp; (Also, this was never used and I did remind players of it.&nbsp; They wanted the spells in their own spell books.)&nbsp; I think I would up the DCs to do this, though, to 20 + spell level to learn and 25 + spell level to use another's.&nbsp; If you doubt this, try reading someone else's notes before studying for a test or making modifications to their code!&nbsp; If you want to use this, perhaps you can say that the spell book helps the caster remember the spell and if it is out of the spell book, they have to relearn it as well as copy it back into their spell books.&nbsp; Again, maybe I just had good players who patrolled themselves about this because I found this was not only not abused but also rarely used.&nbsp; edg</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evildmguy, post: 534281, member: 6092"] [b]okay[/b] Greetings! I had it be a full round action, one to find and one to cast. That's me. Lucius: From the PH: So, to answer your question as to why use scrolls, scrolls take a heck of a lot less time to create! Also, if you use the partial xp rules (<1000 takes an hour per 150 XP), scrolls are even that much faster! Scribing a 5th level spell into a spellbook takes 6 days and 1000 gp. IIRC, 2E was better for the wizards but worse for the other party members, for both of these. Learn time for a spell was measured in hours, which meant that 9th level spells could be learned in a day. That gives the 2E wizard a lot of spells. This is also why the rules exist to use another's spell book to learn a spell but it must be rolled every time they use it. (Also, this was never used and I did remind players of it. They wanted the spells in their own spell books.) I think I would up the DCs to do this, though, to 20 + spell level to learn and 25 + spell level to use another's. If you doubt this, try reading someone else's notes before studying for a test or making modifications to their code! If you want to use this, perhaps you can say that the spell book helps the caster remember the spell and if it is out of the spell book, they have to relearn it as well as copy it back into their spell books. Again, maybe I just had good players who patrolled themselves about this because I found this was not only not abused but also rarely used. edg [/QUOTE]

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