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<blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 635771" data-attributes="member: 1134">I don't know a single evoker who would take that deal.&nbsp; Even if you take a feat as one of the secrets you are still losing out on 2 feats.&nbsp; And those pathetic little benies in no way come close to 2 feats.&nbsp; I know some diviner types who would take the deal because metamagic feats and spell focus feats eman less to them and it rally fits their style.&nbsp; They still lose two feats which is a heaft cost. lets look at the lame abilities, +1 to my attack roll oh yeah I get a +1 on top of my crap to hit for a crossow, and a +1 on ranged touch attacks for the what 10 or so spells in the game that use it.&nbsp; If you want this take weapon focus ray at elast that way you only waste one feat.&nbsp; Extra 1st or 2nd level spell, I won't snear to much at that you might get another MM out of it, which is decent but not worth a feat.+1 dodge AC, this is actually decent, but as many have pointed out with the doge feat its a weak feat so again not worth it.+1 to a save, not bad, but its 1/2 a decent feat, and cloaks of resistance costs what bonus sqaured x 500gp.&nbsp; again not worth it.It gives some decent abilities but at a heafty cost of a cappy pre-req feat, 10 points in 2 knowledge skills which I normally wouldn't spend my valuable skill points, and lets see 2 bonus feats another big blow.you and I have a vast difference of opinion on what is no downside, 9 times out of 10 I'll take a straight wizard of the loremaster, because I gain more out of it.&nbsp; Flat out the costs of losing 10 levels of wizard and the pre-reqs are worse than the benefits gained.&nbsp; Now this and many other presig classes might be worked to maximum effect by taking a level or two of it reducing the cost, and getting a solid part of the gain. But that's the same for every prestige class magical or not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shard O'Glase, post: 635771, member: 1134"] I don't know a single evoker who would take that deal. Even if you take a feat as one of the secrets you are still losing out on 2 feats. And those pathetic little benies in no way come close to 2 feats. I know some diviner types who would take the deal because metamagic feats and spell focus feats eman less to them and it rally fits their style. They still lose two feats which is a heaft cost. lets look at the lame abilities, +1 to my attack roll oh yeah I get a +1 on top of my crap to hit for a crossow, and a +1 on ranged touch attacks for the what 10 or so spells in the game that use it. If you want this take weapon focus ray at elast that way you only waste one feat. Extra 1st or 2nd level spell, I won't snear to much at that you might get another MM out of it, which is decent but not worth a feat. +1 dodge AC, this is actually decent, but as many have pointed out with the doge feat its a weak feat so again not worth it. +1 to a save, not bad, but its 1/2 a decent feat, and cloaks of resistance costs what bonus sqaured x 500gp. again not worth it. It gives some decent abilities but at a heafty cost of a cappy pre-req feat, 10 points in 2 knowledge skills which I normally wouldn't spend my valuable skill points, and lets see 2 bonus feats another big blow. you and I have a vast difference of opinion on what is no downside, 9 times out of 10 I'll take a straight wizard of the loremaster, because I gain more out of it. Flat out the costs of losing 10 levels of wizard and the pre-reqs are worse than the benefits gained. Now this and many other presig classes might be worked to maximum effect by taking a level or two of it reducing the cost, and getting a solid part of the gain. But that's the same for every prestige class magical or not. [/QUOTE]

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