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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1710474" data-attributes="member: 5890">I did say the potential to kill.Massive damage saves are potential. Paralysis is potential death. Sleep is potential death etc etc.Perhaps I should have said incapacitate.And that was assuming that damage on a successful save is gonna cost extra.With that in mind - flesh to stone is probably what I was thinking of, although under my system, it's too good (as it has the potential to kill any living target, not just those lower level than you).Circle of death is a bit better. No creature over 9 hd. Living creatures only. Multiple targets. Unfortunately targeting HD is ugly, because HD do not scale with CR.Oh, and just so you know - this was for effect spells only - hitpoint damage spells are a lot different, because even with their minimum effect they usually make a contribution in a fight.Save-or-dies are just that. If the monster saves, the spell may as well not have been cast. So the spells are justified in being a bit bigger.For hipoint spells, at a guess, 1d6 per level to multiple targets, with 3 x spell level as the cap. Save for half.Single target is probably more like 5xspell level as the cap. Only this time you've got a choice between save for half or ranged touch attack.</blockquote>