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<blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 8437147" data-attributes="member: 907"><p>Immunity to low-to-moderate level spells is a defining feature of a lich? I can't find anything about that in 1e, 2e, 3e, or 5e, and it doesn't seem like the kind of thing a 4e monster would have. The only monster I can think of off-hand that has blanket immunity to spells below a certain level are rakshasa. And I guess Tiamat.</p><p></p><p>They really weren't, at least not the chromatic dragons. Black and white dragons never got more than 1st level wizard spells, greens maxed out at 2nd level spells, blues at 3rd level wizard and 1st level priest spells, and only red dragons got 5th level wizard and 2nd level priest spells. And that's when you're at Great Wyrm status – the only adult chromatic dragon with higher than 1st level spells was the red. Gem and metallic dragons had quite a bit more ooomph when it came to spellcasting though, but even they only learned spells randomly – the DM was supposed to randomly generate what spells a specific dragon would have, except for gold dragons.</p><p></p><p>3e gave dragons actual sorcerer spellcasting, but this was tuned to be a rather small part of its overall capabilities For example, an adult red dragon in 3.5e is CR 15, and casts spells as a 7th level sorcerer (meaning 3rd level spells because sorcerers get new spell levels at even levels in 3.5e). Now, you can do some fun things even with 3rd level spells, but they're mostly useful as buffs or sometimes divinations and protections. Though if you wanted to cheese a dragon, you could have it powered up with <em>mage armor</em> and <em>shield</em> for +8 to AC.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Staffan, post: 8437147, member: 907"] Immunity to low-to-moderate level spells is a defining feature of a lich? I can't find anything about that in 1e, 2e, 3e, or 5e, and it doesn't seem like the kind of thing a 4e monster would have. The only monster I can think of off-hand that has blanket immunity to spells below a certain level are rakshasa. And I guess Tiamat. They really weren't, at least not the chromatic dragons. Black and white dragons never got more than 1st level wizard spells, greens maxed out at 2nd level spells, blues at 3rd level wizard and 1st level priest spells, and only red dragons got 5th level wizard and 2nd level priest spells. And that's when you're at Great Wyrm status – the only adult chromatic dragon with higher than 1st level spells was the red. Gem and metallic dragons had quite a bit more ooomph when it came to spellcasting though, but even they only learned spells randomly – the DM was supposed to randomly generate what spells a specific dragon would have, except for gold dragons. 3e gave dragons actual sorcerer spellcasting, but this was tuned to be a rather small part of its overall capabilities For example, an adult red dragon in 3.5e is CR 15, and casts spells as a 7th level sorcerer (meaning 3rd level spells because sorcerers get new spell levels at even levels in 3.5e). Now, you can do some fun things even with 3rd level spells, but they're mostly useful as buffs or sometimes divinations and protections. Though if you wanted to cheese a dragon, you could have it powered up with [I]mage armor[/I] and [I]shield[/I] for +8 to AC. [/QUOTE]
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