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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5788819" data-attributes="member: 92511">Um...cus, presumably the mage will have to use more of his resources?How? I truly do not see how.I have no idea, not ever playing in those systems. And thank the gods for it. All the more reason the &quot;NEW&quot; D&amp;D should get back to DM driven options/power.If your DM is not/can not be intelligent enough to make the game what he and the players want, regardless of what the rules say....I do not see why they're playing RPGs.Precisely. So we should be catering to player entitlement becauuuuuse ...um...wait, what?!A 3rd level wizard has two &quot;freebies&quot;?! Um..why...what...huh?Yeah, ya mean D&amp;D?They don't huh? Who's talking &quot;forced&quot;? 3 and 4e I assume you're talking about...So a player of a spellcaster should NOT be careful with their resources then. Great...sounds like great fun. Hey! I know, How 'bout I just go play a video game or read a comic....I don't need to actually do anything with a character of my own. Great. Good fun.That was the original point? I thought it was about these 2 &quot;Sacred Cows&quot; the OP posted about.Uh...right. You're obviously reading a different thread than I am.&quot;More balance&quot; between casters and non-casters...Um...you understand that &quot;casters&quot; are people who have use of magic, right? Non-casters...do not. They've been &quot;balanced&quot; out the wazoo due to the whining and crying of players for the past 10 or so years. Thank 4e for &quot;fixing&quot; the &quot;imbalance&quot; between casters and non-casters.Dude...I do not know what game you are playing...I just know, I am very happy to not be playing it. There's this fantasy role-playing game called &quot;Advanced Dungeons &amp; Dragons.&quot; [1e] Check it out some time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 5788819, member: 92511"] Um...cus, presumably the mage will have to use more of his resources? How? I truly do not see how. I have no idea, not ever playing in those systems. And thank the gods for it. All the more reason the "NEW" D&D should get back to DM driven options/power. If your DM is not/can not be intelligent enough to make the game what he and the players want, regardless of what the rules say....I do not see why they're playing RPGs. Precisely. So we should be catering to player entitlement becauuuuuse ...um...wait, what?! A 3rd level wizard has two "freebies"?! Um..why...what...huh? Yeah, ya mean D&D? They don't huh? Who's talking "forced"? 3 and 4e I assume you're talking about...So a player of a spellcaster should NOT be careful with their resources then. Great...sounds like great fun. Hey! I know, How 'bout I just go play a video game or read a comic....I don't need to actually do anything with a character of my own. Great. Good fun. That was the original point? I thought it was about these 2 "Sacred Cows" the OP posted about. Uh...right. You're obviously reading a different thread than I am. "More balance" between casters and non-casters...Um...you understand that "casters" are people who have use of magic, right? Non-casters...do not. They've been "balanced" out the wazoo due to the whining and crying of players for the past 10 or so years. Thank 4e for "fixing" the "imbalance" between casters and non-casters. Dude...I do not know what game you are playing...I just know, I am very happy to not be playing it. There's this fantasy role-playing game called "Advanced Dungeons & Dragons." [1e] Check it out some time. [/QUOTE]

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