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<blockquote data-quote="Treantmonklvl20" data-source="post: 7475755" data-attributes="member: 55582">Actually, that is not the case.&nbsp; D&amp;D involves 3 different kinds of D20 rolls.&nbsp; Ability checks, Attack rolls and Saving throws.Not a skill check.&nbsp; A skill check is an ability check.&nbsp; Attack a monster requires an attack roll.If it's a melee attack, it requires a melee attack rollIf it's a melee spell attack, it requires a melee spell attack rollAgain, not a skill check.If it's a ranged attack, it requires a ranged attack rollIf it's a ranged spell attack, it requires a ranged spell attack rollYes, this is a skill checkThis is not a skill check.&nbsp; It is a saving throw.Survive near death: Con saving throwShrug off Frostbite spell: Con saving throwYes, this is a skill checkThis might be a skill check or just an ability check, depending if it fits a specific skill or not.Like other actions in D&amp;D, spells usually require a D20 roll, though seldom a skill check.Chromatic Orb: Make a ranged spell attack rollVampiric Touch: Make a melee spell attack rollOthers involve Saving throwsFireball: Those impacted make Dex saving throwHold Monster: Target makes Wis saving throwOthers involve both attack rolls and saving throwsRay of EnfeeblementDisintegrateGenerally, actions in combat require a roll.&nbsp; Spells are no different.&nbsp; You are talking about adding a second, or in some cases a third roll.&nbsp; Not really, I would cry out if I have to make an attack roll for my firebolt and then you throw on a skill check as well.&nbsp; If I fire a bow, I only have to make an attack roll.&nbsp; Seems to be slowing things down for no good reason.Keep in mind that if you require a skill check to fire a firebolt, then require a to hit roll to hit with that firebolt, you are accepting everything else in the game as auto-fire EXCEPT for spells.&nbsp; It's the opposite of the scenario you claim exists now (which doesn't).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Treantmonklvl20, post: 7475755, member: 55582"] Actually, that is not the case. D&D involves 3 different kinds of D20 rolls. Ability checks, Attack rolls and Saving throws. Not a skill check. A skill check is an ability check. Attack a monster requires an attack roll. If it's a melee attack, it requires a melee attack roll If it's a melee spell attack, it requires a melee spell attack roll Again, not a skill check. If it's a ranged attack, it requires a ranged attack roll If it's a ranged spell attack, it requires a ranged spell attack roll Yes, this is a skill check This is not a skill check. It is a saving throw. Survive near death: Con saving throw Shrug off Frostbite spell: Con saving throw Yes, this is a skill check This might be a skill check or just an ability check, depending if it fits a specific skill or not. Like other actions in D&D, spells usually require a D20 roll, though seldom a skill check. Chromatic Orb: Make a ranged spell attack roll Vampiric Touch: Make a melee spell attack roll Others involve Saving throws Fireball: Those impacted make Dex saving throw Hold Monster: Target makes Wis saving throw Others involve both attack rolls and saving throws Ray of Enfeeblement Disintegrate Generally, actions in combat require a roll. Spells are no different. You are talking about adding a second, or in some cases a third roll. Not really, I would cry out if I have to make an attack roll for my firebolt and then you throw on a skill check as well. If I fire a bow, I only have to make an attack roll. Seems to be slowing things down for no good reason. Keep in mind that if you require a skill check to fire a firebolt, then require a to hit roll to hit with that firebolt, you are accepting everything else in the game as auto-fire EXCEPT for spells. It's the opposite of the scenario you claim exists now (which doesn't). [/QUOTE]

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