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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brehobit" data-source="post: 3244198" data-attributes="member: 12032">This is why HD (or ECL or CR) should NOT be a part of any spell.  Just give the save or not...But to adress the question, I don't think there is a good answer here.  If it is an unknown monster which the PC would have no chance of knowing anything about (unique or whatever) I'd just say no chance.  Otherwise I'd say the appropriate knowledge skill.  If the baddy if fairly common in the world (the PC would have heard of it before) it might be a reasonable spell-craft thing.  (Here is a list of baddies who are generally immune)Mark</blockquote>