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<blockquote data-quote="Humanophile" data-source="post: 141245" data-attributes="member: 1049">Ren, I was unaware that you playtested.&nbsp; Consider this an apology for the way my statement must've sounded in that case.&nbsp; I'm just used to hearing &quot;we played with (given rule), and it didn't unbalance the game a bit&quot; a lot, when watching their game shows how badly it does.&nbsp; Back in 2e, you didn't ask the wizard if free casting unbalanced the game, you asked&nbsp; the fighter, if there still was one.&nbsp; That's why I'm wary about what many people say.&nbsp; This only applies per individual characters, though.I will defend myself that I never said, nor meant to imply, that FR playtesters were munchkinny powergamers.&nbsp; I still hold to my basic belief, though.&nbsp; Most FR fans I've known have liked a high power level, cosmopolitan atmosphere, and disliked things outside of the modern fantasy gaming cliche.&nbsp; I'm not saying you are, but the next time you hear someone say &quot;but... that's not D&amp;D!&quot; regarding something in a WOTC book, you'll know who I'm talking about.&nbsp; (Planescape seemed to draw a lot of that, as did psionics.&nbsp; All IME, of course.)&nbsp; I wouldn't expect things like &quot;greater weapon focus, +2 to hit with a weapon, twice as good as the PHB&quot;, but at the same time, there's a lot of waffle room between ECL +1 and +2, first and second level spells, and when a prestige classes abilities are OK for their level.&nbsp; That wiggle room is where prejudices will come into play, and I think that there are both a plurality of modern fantasy fans, and that they're willing to see things that they like in a more favorable light than things they don't.&nbsp; I'm not accusing anyoen of being biased, I'm accusing them of being human.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Humanophile, post: 141245, member: 1049"] Ren, I was unaware that you playtested. Consider this an apology for the way my statement must've sounded in that case. I'm just used to hearing "we played with (given rule), and it didn't unbalance the game a bit" a lot, when watching their game shows how badly it does. Back in 2e, you didn't ask the wizard if free casting unbalanced the game, you asked the fighter, if there still was one. That's why I'm wary about what many people say. This only applies per individual characters, though. I will defend myself that I never said, nor meant to imply, that FR playtesters were munchkinny powergamers. I still hold to my basic belief, though. Most FR fans I've known have liked a high power level, cosmopolitan atmosphere, and disliked things outside of the modern fantasy gaming cliche. I'm not saying you are, but the next time you hear someone say "but... that's not D&D!" regarding something in a WOTC book, you'll know who I'm talking about. (Planescape seemed to draw a lot of that, as did psionics. All IME, of course.) I wouldn't expect things like "greater weapon focus, +2 to hit with a weapon, twice as good as the PHB", but at the same time, there's a lot of waffle room between ECL +1 and +2, first and second level spells, and when a prestige classes abilities are OK for their level. That wiggle room is where prejudices will come into play, and I think that there are both a plurality of modern fantasy fans, and that they're willing to see things that they like in a more favorable light than things they don't. I'm not accusing anyoen of being biased, I'm accusing them of being human. [/QUOTE]

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