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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 8159472" data-attributes="member: 20323">What I like about your approach is that you're creating benchmarks for spells – which is something replicable by other DMs working on their own monsters.Would you be willing to walk me through how you're reaching those equivalencies?How is upcast hold person on par with fireball?Hold person needs to be cast with a 5th level spell slot to get the hypothetical 4-person party. That means a 9th level spellcaster like a CR 6 mage. It's denying actions, so it's actually reducing the party's capability to dish out damage/effects, which means it's effectively increasing the monster's defenses, right?How is planeshift on par with disintegrate?I can planeshift a 9th level rogue with 57 hit points or a 16th level fighter with 148 hit points, and if that PC has no means of easy planar travel they're out of the fight. Similarly, I can planeshift a 13th level wizard with 67 hit points, but if that PC can cast planeshift, they can be back in the fight in a round (so effectively – in the hypothetical 3-round combat – I did 67 / 3 = 23 damage). But those HP values and hence damage estimates are all over the place, right?EDIT: Strangely, if I take the average of those three damage values I pulled out of the air (57 + 148 + 23), I get 76, which is pretty much the average damage value for disintegrate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 8159472, member: 20323"] What I like about your approach is that you're creating benchmarks for spells – which is something replicable by other DMs working on their own monsters. Would you be willing to walk me through how you're reaching those equivalencies? How is upcast [I]hold person [/I]on par with [I]fireball[/I]? [I]Hold person [/I]needs to be cast with a 5th level spell slot to get the hypothetical 4-person party. That means a 9th level spellcaster like a CR 6 mage. It's denying actions, so it's actually reducing the party's capability to dish out damage/effects, which means it's effectively increasing the monster's defenses, right? How is [I]planeshift [/I]on par with[I] disintegrate[/I]? I can [I]planeshift[/I] a 9th level rogue with 57 hit points or a 16th level fighter with 148 hit points, and if that PC has no means of easy planar travel they're out of the fight. Similarly, I can [I]planeshift[/I] a 13th level wizard with 67 hit points, but if that PC can cast [I]planeshift[/I], they can be back in the fight in a round (so effectively – in the hypothetical 3-round combat – I did 67 / 3 = 23 damage). But those HP values and hence damage estimates are all over the place, right? EDIT: Strangely, if I take the average of those three damage values I pulled out of the air (57 + 148 + 23), I get 76, which is pretty much the average damage value for [I]disintegrate[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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