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Spells cast at higher level spell slots. Worth it?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hawk Diesel" data-source="post: 7036592" data-attributes="member: 59848"><p>Yea, I know what you mean. But then, if you're comparing the sling to a long bow, there is the additional barrier that the long bow requires the extra proficiency in martial weapons. It's a low barrier, but still a barrier.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I really enjoy when people can find ways to agree to disagree. ^_^</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would agree with this statement more if the magic in 5e was more like in 3.5. In 3.5, you could cast a lower level spell slot and it would automatically scale with your level. A 1st level magic missile cast by a 3rd level caster was not the same as a 1st level magic missile cast by a 20th level caster. Since 5e came out, I wholeheartedly disagree with this. A first level spell slot should always be as powerful as a first level spell. So it would make sense that casting something like Entangle as a 1st level spell might be effective against some stampeding bears, but less so against the storm giants.</p><p></p><p>However, that being said, a 9th level spell is a 9th level spell. If I can use a slot to cast Wish or Meteor Swarm, that indicates to me that there is a certain amount of power inherent in expending that resource. If you spend $5, you want to get the value of your $5. If I ask for $5 in quarters, I don't expect $4.50 in quarters just because I can more easily put it into the soda machine or do laundry with it. So if I use a 9th level slot to cast Chromatic Orb or Entangle, I expect to get an equivalent return on what I'm spending that resource on.</p><p></p><p>In this way, I think 5e combats the problems of the 3.5 spell casting BECAUSE your effects are tied directly to the resources you are willing to use, rather than directly tied to how high a level you are. You mention the flexibility such casting allows, and sure it provides some flexibility. But I see it more as resource expenditure. If you are expending a resource, you should get the return based on the resource you are expending.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawk Diesel, post: 7036592, member: 59848"] Yea, I know what you mean. But then, if you're comparing the sling to a long bow, there is the additional barrier that the long bow requires the extra proficiency in martial weapons. It's a low barrier, but still a barrier. I really enjoy when people can find ways to agree to disagree. ^_^ I would agree with this statement more if the magic in 5e was more like in 3.5. In 3.5, you could cast a lower level spell slot and it would automatically scale with your level. A 1st level magic missile cast by a 3rd level caster was not the same as a 1st level magic missile cast by a 20th level caster. Since 5e came out, I wholeheartedly disagree with this. A first level spell slot should always be as powerful as a first level spell. So it would make sense that casting something like Entangle as a 1st level spell might be effective against some stampeding bears, but less so against the storm giants. However, that being said, a 9th level spell is a 9th level spell. If I can use a slot to cast Wish or Meteor Swarm, that indicates to me that there is a certain amount of power inherent in expending that resource. If you spend $5, you want to get the value of your $5. If I ask for $5 in quarters, I don't expect $4.50 in quarters just because I can more easily put it into the soda machine or do laundry with it. So if I use a 9th level slot to cast Chromatic Orb or Entangle, I expect to get an equivalent return on what I'm spending that resource on. In this way, I think 5e combats the problems of the 3.5 spell casting BECAUSE your effects are tied directly to the resources you are willing to use, rather than directly tied to how high a level you are. You mention the flexibility such casting allows, and sure it provides some flexibility. But I see it more as resource expenditure. If you are expending a resource, you should get the return based on the resource you are expending. [/QUOTE]
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