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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 7003417" data-attributes="member: 2067">If the caster's in the area of effect when they cast the spell, generally speaking, they'll be affected by the spell. "I close my eyes" wouldn't be a useful counter in my game - the default is going to be "you need your eyes open to target the spell, and if you close your eyes, you might not be able to create the effect you desire" (you need line of sight and line of effect!). Spellcasting is delicate and precious and if everything isn't just so, it won't go right. If I was in the mood to yes-but them I might say "Ok, but you have no idea where the spell might go off if you do that." Then use some genadelike missile chart or something to adjudicate where it actually goes off. If I was being generous, I might even let the tactic work normally, and let the party use it...but also let the enemies employ it. Maybe get real specific with facing ("Oh, this orc wasn't looking at it..."). The simplest solution is just to say, "If you want to cast the spell, you're going to have to look at the point you're going to cast it at, just as an archer would have to look at where they're firing their arrows," and that's probably what I'd go with most of the time. But, there's a lot of space if you'd like to allow it as a tactic.BTW, when checking the rules for this stuff, note that a targeted spell is distinct from an area of effect spell. A spell is never both. HP is an area of effect spell, so it obeys the rules for that kind of spell, including a point of origin. The spell doesn't have "targets," it just has creatures who are in its area.</blockquote>

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