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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Beholder Bob" data-source="post: 1793563" data-attributes="member: 12866">Holocaust WyrmSpells that are shapable are more trouble than they're worth in play.I could drop it to a 5' wide, 20-30' long 'snake' (much easier to represent), but the image of a flaming chinese dragon moving through the ranks is the basis... something I'm trying to retain.This seems like a really ramped up flaming sphere.  It should work mechanically similar- reflex save negates (what does a fortitude save have to do with avoiding fire?).  In some ways similar - but unlike flame sphere, which rolls through squares but does not dominate them, a reflex save to negate makes sense.  In this case, it is a solid column of flames and superheated air.  I can not see someone dodging this (even a fireball allows a hollywood dive to reduce/avoid) - so I opted for fortitude.Should do 10d6 to anyone in its area, that "per 10' move over" damage thing is a overpowered useAhh, but its the flavor I seek, and the difficutly of threading this through enemy ranks.  If I just make it effect an area and do the same damage each round - it is just a fireball that pulses, and with little/no flavor or feel of magic.  If I opt to make it 5' wide, I'd change the damage to 2d6/segment that passes through you.if the caster used two move actions making it move, and the speed is 40' (you list both 40' and 30' above), then that's a cool 40d6 damage per round for 1 round per caster level.Oh - good catch!  I'll change it to 30', and the whole thing can only be moved 30' total each round.  So you may not use 2 move actions to make life hell for a poor victim.  I'll add that text as well. Ioun Shield+1 deflection bons per stone, and no way should it allow the caster to force another save to a spell from a target.</blockquote>Well, since it only lasts 1 R/LV (vs shield lasting 1 MIN/LV), gives +1 AC/4 LV - it is weaker then shield spell until 16th level caster!  As to allowing re-rolling saves - both the caster and/or targets - that is the real reason behind the spell.  I do note, though, that I have almost no flavor text for that spell.  Oops!So - what level is the ability to require a foe to roll 2 saves, take the lesser of the 2, equal to?And above and beyond anything - thank you for feedback!  I may very well be off in my estimates, so your comments help me shape these spells from more then 1 perspective.B<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" />B[/QUOTE]

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