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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Falling Icicle" data-source="post: 5810493" data-attributes="member: 17077">In 3.x and Pathfinder, Sleep couldn't affect a target with 5 or more HD, making it all but useless after 5th or 6th level. There are numerous other spells that likewise became obsolete at higher levels, such as cause fear, hypnotism, pattern spells, and so on. I was never fond of this, to put it kindly.In 4th edition, spells don't scale by level or have silly and arbitrary HD limits. Sleep is just as useful at level 30 as it is at level 1. While this was a very nice change, 4e still had the problem of spells becoming obsolete, it just did it in a different way. In that edition, you replaced old spells as you gained higher level ones. They literally disappeared from a wizard's spellbook, even! This makes me roll my eyes every time I read it.In 5e, can we not have any form of spells becoming obsolete at higher levels, pretty please? This goes for fighter "exploits" too. The idea of a fighter suddenly forgetting how to cleave once he learns whirlwind attack is just as stupid as spells disappearing from a spellbook.</blockquote>