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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 6538212" data-attributes="member: 53980">I'm not saying that it's unreasonable for creatures to use those tactics. I probably wouldn't use them with simple creatures like bullywugs, but I don't think it's unreasonable if your DM does. However, there are serious tradeoffs, particularly for large groups with poor ranged capabilities (such as the aforementioned bullywugs and toads). Staying 15 ft apart (roughly equivalent to 5m) is fine of a small squad of PCs, because with 4 or 5 PCs the back line isn't that far from the front (assuming a depth of no more than 2 or 3 ranks) and the back ranks ought to be range capable anyway.On the other hand, for the bullywugs, it's going to seriously impact their ability to concentrate fire, which is what makes a large group of monsters so dangerous. You can't spread that many creatures that far apart and expect them to all be able to attack in round one. Somewhere between half and three quarters of them will spend their first turn just moving. And unless they're taking a very roundabout route to avoid grouping up (meaning that many of them will be spending yet another round doing nothing but moving), they're going to be funneling towards the party and grouping up. Meaning that either a fireball cast after they move will take out a great many of them, or you're going to get 3 waves of enemies enabling you to cull the smaller batches much more easily. You're never going to be taking attacks from all of them unless the DM decides to equip those primitive bullywugs with longbows.That's not even factoring in the element of surprise from your particular scenario.Again, I'm not saying that Conjure Animals isn't a good 3rd level spell. It's definitely a top-notch druid spell for that slot. And in certain cases it's undoubtedly better than a Fireball. But until I see better evidence to the contrary, I'm not convinced that it's unreasonable compared to what other 3rd level combat spells are capable of. I'm open to the possibility, but I'm not convinced.</blockquote>

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