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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 4676779" data-attributes="member: 16285">Let's see the mage gets 1 attack (at +6 plus any Dex mod or appropriate feats) since it is a spell (well he could get 2 if he had a quickened spell), the fighter gets 3 attacks (if using 1 weapon) at +12/+7/+2 (not counting strength bonus, or appropriate feats). Make it a raging barbarian with power attack and a great axe and then things get more interesting.And that same dragon probably has SR of 20+ so not only does the mage have to &quot;hit&quot; the dragon's touch AC he also has to get past the SR whereas the fighter only has to get past the AC. Well there are a few touch spells that ignore SR (orb spells anyone?) And yes there may be DR to overcome, but we aren't talking about damage only about hitting right?Oh and the dragon with the AC of 30+ is most likely a Mature Adult (or older) which translates into a CR 14+ which by definition is a difficult encounter for a level 12 party.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 4676779, member: 16285"] Let's see the mage gets 1 attack (at +6 plus any Dex mod or appropriate feats) since it is a spell (well he could get 2 if he had a quickened spell), the fighter gets 3 attacks (if using 1 weapon) at +12/+7/+2 (not counting strength bonus, or appropriate feats). Make it a raging barbarian with power attack and a great axe and then things get more interesting. And that same dragon probably has SR of 20+ so not only does the mage have to "hit" the dragon's touch AC he also has to get past the SR whereas the fighter only has to get past the AC. Well there are a few touch spells that ignore SR (orb spells anyone?) And yes there may be DR to overcome, but we aren't talking about damage only about hitting right? Oh and the dragon with the AC of 30+ is most likely a Mature Adult (or older) which translates into a CR 14+ which by definition is a difficult encounter for a level 12 party. [/QUOTE]

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