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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9387191" data-attributes="member: 93670">I don't agree with Yaarel very often, but in this case I think  there is agreement with his OP.   This doesn't look to be quite what he's talking about though, especially after some of his later clarifying points.  If you go back to the 3.x epic level handbook there is about 30 pages devoted to a multipart ritual subsystem for accomplishing just about anything[spoiler="Developing your own epic spell"]DEVELOPING YOUR OWNEPIC SPELLAn epic spell is developed from smaller pieces calledseeds and connecting pieces called factors. Every epicseed has a base Spellcraft DC, and every factor has a Spell-craft DC adjustment. When a desired spell is developed,the spellcaster spends resources and time to assemble thepieces that make up the epic spell. The base SpellcraftDCs of each seed are added together; then the DC adjust-ments of the factors are added to that total. The sumequals the final Spellcraft DC for the epic spell.The final Spellcraft DC is the most significant gauge ofthe epic spell’s power. A spellcaster attempts to cast anepic spell by making a Spellcraft check against the epicspell’s Spellcraft DC. Thus, a spellcaster knows immedi-ately, based on her own Spellcraft bonus, what epic spellsare within her capability to cast, which are risky, andwhich are beyond her. Epic casters don’t commit timeand money to develop epic spells until they are powerfulenough to cast them.An epic spell developed by an arcane spellcaster isarcane, and an epic spell developed by a divine spellcasteris divine. A character who can cast both divine andarcane epic spells chooses whether a particular spell hedevelops will be arcane or divine. If that same caster usesthe heal or life seed in an epic spell, that spell is alwaysconsidered divine.All the epic spells described earlier in this chapter canbe developed independently by a character who spendsthe necessary time, money, and experience points. Alter-natively, you can use those spells as a starting point whenyou create customized versions of the spells. For exam-pile, if you want a version of vengeful gaze of god that dealsless backlash damage, you are free to develop it.[/spoiler]Unfortunately it's a few editions out of date & was pretty much designed for folks like Eleminster at the time.  While that might put some of it on the level with low level 2014 5e  power scaling it had the downside of never really getting any lower level seeds & factors making it hard to use without a lot of back & forth tuning a seesaw between intended goal & within power budget but still possible to cast (spellcraft checks well over 100☆ were not uncommon) within the time resource & sacrifice limits that were still possible to swing before really even getting into it☆That one hundred is not a typo</blockquote>

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