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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 4945702" data-attributes="member: 15538">I would prefer we stick to the rules, since that's a vanishingly small group of spells. But if you insist, I'll pick mind fog and symbol of insanity. Technically, the symbol creates a symbol, but the spell description says to treat it as a spread. Both allow Will saves to negate for anyone in the area, or anyone who enters the area.Obvious how? The spell states Will negates, without qualification.I agree the spell could be written more clearly.Whereas I read it as, if you center on a creature and it saves, the entire spell is kaput. If you cast it on a point in space or an unattended object, it always works, but it follows the usual rules for area spells that have Will negates.Honestly, up to this point, no. Now that I have read the spell more carefully, I think I have been playing it incorrectly.Yet is scrupulously avoids the word "target." Furthermore, sanctuary is a targeted spell that has Will negates, and everyone who attacks the target of a sanctuary spell gets a save, so even if the spell were targeted, it wouldn't change anything. I pointed out that it is not a targeted spell for clarity's sake, not because the interpretation I have outlined above relies on it.Those two sentences are separated by a period, so in the first place, I don't see how you can say the second line is umambiguously stating the conditions for the first. In the second place, it is possible for a Will save by the centered creature to negate the spell (entirely) and ALSO allow a negating save by everyone in the spell area. You mean like AD&D? That can lead you astray, particularly if you try to follow the various versions of darkness.</blockquote>

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