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Message: <blockquote data-quote="yesnomu" data-source="post: 4984601" data-attributes="member: 77306">First off, I'm not talking about the use of these spells from a DMs-vs.-players perspective--the DM has and will always have a zillion ways of taking out players, most of which aren't even accessible to the PCs. I'm looking at them from the perspective of the players, and the tools that are appropriate for them to have.Secondly, it's amusing to note that both WoW and 4e have Baleful Polymorph equivalents--sheeping people is a great Mage trick and BP is a level 15 Druid daily--but they're roughly balanced with other options available. Whereas here, BP is the goto remove-from-battle level 5 spell for Wizards and Druids. And again, it's strictly better (for the PCs' purposes) than Finger of Death, two levels higher. It's not hard to make the fantasy trope balanced, but right now it's not.Lastly, Dominate Person is trivially easy to ward against--Protection From [Foo]-easy. So a BBEG and his important minions will definitely be protected, and a large number of potential opponents at that level aren't targetable at all. I consider it appropriately-leveled. Plane Shift, on the other hand...</blockquote>