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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 5000215" data-attributes="member: 48520">This is true. Personally, I'd argue that most save or die (or similar effects) could be done either like ability drain, or could be done like wraith touch attack (ability drain that results in a secondary effect, such as turning into a wraith, turning to stone, etc). Then you scale the amount of ability damage to scale the power level... Just a thought. (My spell does 2d8 CON Damage, if youre reduced to 0 or less, youre turned to stone).And then Drop Energy Drain and replace it with an effect like the above because, well, IME,  Level loss effects are like this:Permanent Time Drain:You lose a level. Stop the game for everyone else for 20 minutes while you update your character sheet.TemporaryGo Calculate what you didn't have before you gained this level. Keep track of that so that we know you don't have it. Again, halt the game for 20 minutes to do so.Even without LAs listed, people will want to play them. You ever see anyone want to play a Dryad Druid? (That's about all they can play with the tree restriction unless youe always in a forest ~ cause then the dryad can animate her tree). Or ever see anyone want to play a demon? a bunch of those don't have listed LAs. Additionally, LA sucks. lol.If youre going to give the character all of the monster's abilities, my advice, LA = CR.Change Immunities to resistances in many instances, and change wacky at-will powers to wacky powers with x/day.You'll have more playable characters.If you'll do things the harder way, use UK's CR guide to price out the monster at each level. Make a Base Race (0.5-0.7 for PFRPG, or .3-.55 for 3.5e), then list all the abilities they get, and find the prices for them.Figure out skill points per level, HD per level, Saves, and then start adding HD until you get to a point where you have the abilities spread out enough to have the levels be around the right power level 1.1672/level (not counting base race).If you're using Trailblazer, you might be well served to convert the SLAs the creature has into a class spell list (and add a few more spells).Heh. Yep. Well, I can deal with 'very close, but slightly different'. If someone plays a goblin, I doubt they would object to a small power bump to make them on par with humans, in terms of power. (skill bonuses or something).</blockquote>

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