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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8626740" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>if I want to be alert to danger AND I can pull off a miricle from god helping me see better, this sounds like a GREAT reason to ask god for sight beyond sight...</p><p></p><p>but if we are alert to the danger, are we not already looking (and now we are looking)</p><p></p><p>here is the test. Call for 5 perception checks next game... but when they roll them tell them they see nothing, and if they ask out of game tell them "no nothing was really there" then see if the clerics is 'always' casting guidence... if so he may be under the impression that when ever there is an active roll there is an action... this still sounds like an out of game adult conversation you should have.</p><p></p><p>and the difference is?</p><p></p><p>9 out of 10 times I am not looking anywhere... I am thinking and I may or may not notice something. I am a poop excuse for an explorer though. I can walk into a room and not notice my dog is there, or sit in a room where my fiance is watching a show with my mother and they ask me what I think and I have 0 idea what is going on..."Wait what?"</p><p></p><p>good question</p><p></p><p>if I am controlling my cleric, and my cleric is not surprised and not unaware I expect I can cast any cantrip I have.</p><p></p><p>replace guidence with sacred flame. </p><p></p><p>if you call for a perception check and the cleric says "I cast sacred flame and my hand glows" </p><p></p><p>and if I am looking down my hall way in my home to see what that noise was AND I could magic up better sight "+1d4 perception" would I... most likely. </p><p>if I was outside and worried there might be a wolf in the woods AND I could ask god/my guardian angle to make me see/hear/smell better "+1d4 perception" I would.</p><p></p><p>okay to be fair much like when I don't play for a few weeks I will most likely forget to put up buffs even at will because I am absent minded... but you get the idea and I assume the cleric in question is more wise then I</p><p></p><p>Okay... so instead of saying no you ask "why now" right?</p><p>what if teh cleric player says "THe barbarian is about to check out the alley and I am asking god to give him clear sight?"</p><p></p><p>yes but we must also declair them at the table and not talk over... hence why I picked out the word "Before"</p><p></p><p>example: The DM says "Okay you settle down to camp and take a long rest" the druid player says "Before we take a long rest I dump my slots left into good berry"</p><p>The DM says "Okay so you are ready to leave and..." and the warlock player says "Before we are ready to go I want to pick up some more potions"</p><p>the player of teh barbarian says "I take the book and throw it in the fire" and the wizard player says "Before he can I stop him"</p><p></p><p>before matters.</p><p></p><p>retcons are funny things... but that is like the opposite of declaring you do something before something else.</p><p></p><p>so if someone says "I search the desk" and another player says "I help" that's cool, but if the player says "I search teh desk" and the DM gets "roll investigation" before the other player gets "I help" out that too bad!?!? that seems to encourage alot of over talking and interrupting that would be bad enough in person but would make virtual games all but impossible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8626740, member: 67338"] if I want to be alert to danger AND I can pull off a miricle from god helping me see better, this sounds like a GREAT reason to ask god for sight beyond sight... but if we are alert to the danger, are we not already looking (and now we are looking) here is the test. Call for 5 perception checks next game... but when they roll them tell them they see nothing, and if they ask out of game tell them "no nothing was really there" then see if the clerics is 'always' casting guidence... if so he may be under the impression that when ever there is an active roll there is an action... this still sounds like an out of game adult conversation you should have. and the difference is? 9 out of 10 times I am not looking anywhere... I am thinking and I may or may not notice something. I am a poop excuse for an explorer though. I can walk into a room and not notice my dog is there, or sit in a room where my fiance is watching a show with my mother and they ask me what I think and I have 0 idea what is going on..."Wait what?" good question if I am controlling my cleric, and my cleric is not surprised and not unaware I expect I can cast any cantrip I have. replace guidence with sacred flame. if you call for a perception check and the cleric says "I cast sacred flame and my hand glows" and if I am looking down my hall way in my home to see what that noise was AND I could magic up better sight "+1d4 perception" would I... most likely. if I was outside and worried there might be a wolf in the woods AND I could ask god/my guardian angle to make me see/hear/smell better "+1d4 perception" I would. okay to be fair much like when I don't play for a few weeks I will most likely forget to put up buffs even at will because I am absent minded... but you get the idea and I assume the cleric in question is more wise then I Okay... so instead of saying no you ask "why now" right? what if teh cleric player says "THe barbarian is about to check out the alley and I am asking god to give him clear sight?" yes but we must also declair them at the table and not talk over... hence why I picked out the word "Before" example: The DM says "Okay you settle down to camp and take a long rest" the druid player says "Before we take a long rest I dump my slots left into good berry" The DM says "Okay so you are ready to leave and..." and the warlock player says "Before we are ready to go I want to pick up some more potions" the player of teh barbarian says "I take the book and throw it in the fire" and the wizard player says "Before he can I stop him" before matters. retcons are funny things... but that is like the opposite of declaring you do something before something else. so if someone says "I search the desk" and another player says "I help" that's cool, but if the player says "I search teh desk" and the DM gets "roll investigation" before the other player gets "I help" out that too bad!?!? that seems to encourage alot of over talking and interrupting that would be bad enough in person but would make virtual games all but impossible. [/QUOTE]
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