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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8626763" data-attributes="member: 67338">cool... I mean I love thaat the party doesn't do the whole &quot;I only sit with my back to a wall&quot; thing that I used to joke made everything look like the last supper.Okay that's coolsorry your suprised and can take no action...that's not at all the situation you framed before... and falls well into my two exception (surprised and/or not able to interact)again that is simple &quot;sorry your surprised&quot;personally I am surprised that when asked to describe where they are sitting they didn't put the high wisdom/perception character looking at the room... but maybe just cause that is what I am used to.except it has not happened... it has been declaired (in this case in the DMs mind if not out loud) and the action IS resolving it has not resolved yet.here you go with retroactive again.&nbsp; It isn't retroactive in the game (not that I think many people are asking to use a spell when surprised anyway)skill check is the clue here... there are no skill checks in the story in the game... it is noticing it is looking, it is perceiving... Guidence out of game is &quot;Bonus to a skill/ability&quot; but in game it is &quot;my god helps you do a thing...almost anything really&quot; so anytime it is in qustion just ask &quot;If the caster cast a diffrent spell would I allow it?&quot; then think through what the interactions is.Here is an example from one of my own games. A PC is a divine soul sorcerer/bard and has guidance AND inspiration and like a bunch of buff spells. He is always so scared to ask &quot;wait can I cast guidance&quot; becuse other DMs have told him &quot;you can't&quot; every time he has tried... let me lay out a few &quot;Yeah of course you cans&quot;the dragon born picks up a vial and declares &quot;I want to use alchemy to identify it, and int plus skill plus roll is 17&quot; &quot;can I use guidance&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Yeah, add the d4&quot;the shadar ki rogue says he is going to sneak ahead to see if the ghouls are ahead... &quot;Can I inspire and guidance him even though I don't know what rolls he needs?&quot; &quot;Yeah of course you can&quot;the warforged fighter says &quot;I pull my crowbar out an try to pop the lock, is that athletics or just str, crowbar gives advantage righte?&quot; &quot;Can I cast Guidence?&quot; &quot;Yeah, I keep telling you as long as you are not surprised and can interact you can cast any cantrips you have&quot;and most on point...about 6 weeks ago player of the rogue &quot;I bet there are shadow beasts watching us, someone should check&quot; fighter player &quot;Um, yeah remember I suck at noticing anything someone else do it&quot; dragonborn player &quot;Oh I can do you want me to roll or use passive?&quot; me &quot;That depends is the conversation in or out of game and are you activly looking?&nbsp; rogue player &quot;Out of game I am saying someone else should think of it&quot; dragon born player &quot;Yeah, but my character is paranoid enough to think that... so I want to activly look can I roll?&quot; me (knowing there is nothing there) &quot;yeah roll I guess&quot; bard/sorcerer &quot;Can I give him guadience?&quot; &quot;Why?&quot; i ask &quot;When I see him looking around it's like helping him...&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Okay roll it&quot; I say and both the d20 and the d4 come up as 2's giveing the DB less then 10... so I say &quot;Your sure your safe nothing here.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8626763, member: 67338"] cool... I mean I love thaat the party doesn't do the whole "I only sit with my back to a wall" thing that I used to joke made everything look like the last supper. Okay that's cool sorry your suprised and can take no action... [I]that's not at all the situation you framed before... and falls well into my two exception (surprised and/or not able to interact)[/I] again that is simple "sorry your surprised" personally I am surprised that when asked to describe where they are sitting they didn't put the high wisdom/perception character looking at the room... but maybe just cause that is what I am used to. except it has not happened... it has been declaired (in this case in the DMs mind if not out loud) and the action IS resolving it has not resolved yet. here you go with retroactive again. It isn't retroactive in the game (not that I think many people are asking to use a spell when surprised anyway) skill check is the clue here... there are no skill checks in the story in the game... it is noticing it is looking, it is perceiving... Guidence out of game is "Bonus to a skill/ability" but in game it is "my god helps you do a thing...almost anything really" so anytime it is in qustion just ask "If the caster cast a diffrent spell would I allow it?" then think through what the interactions is. Here is an example from one of my own games. A PC is a divine soul sorcerer/bard and has guidance AND inspiration and like a bunch of buff spells. He is always so scared to ask "wait can I cast guidance" becuse other DMs have told him "you can't" every time he has tried... let me lay out a few "Yeah of course you cans" the dragon born picks up a vial and declares "I want to use alchemy to identify it, and int plus skill plus roll is 17" "can I use guidance" "Yeah, add the d4" the shadar ki rogue says he is going to sneak ahead to see if the ghouls are ahead... "Can I inspire and guidance him even though I don't know what rolls he needs?" "Yeah of course you can" the warforged fighter says "I pull my crowbar out an try to pop the lock, is that athletics or just str, crowbar gives advantage righte?" "Can I cast Guidence?" "Yeah, I keep telling you as long as you are not surprised and can interact you can cast any cantrips you have" and most on point... about 6 weeks ago player of the rogue "I bet there are shadow beasts watching us, someone should check" fighter player "Um, yeah remember I suck at noticing anything someone else do it" dragonborn player "Oh I can do you want me to roll or use passive?" me "That depends is the conversation in or out of game and are you activly looking? rogue player "Out of game I am saying someone else should think of it" dragon born player "Yeah, but my character is paranoid enough to think that... so I want to activly look can I roll?" me (knowing there is nothing there) "yeah roll I guess" bard/sorcerer "Can I give him guadience?" "Why?" i ask "When I see him looking around it's like helping him..." "Okay roll it" I say and both the d20 and the d4 come up as 2's giveing the DB less then 10... so I say "Your sure your safe nothing here." [/QUOTE]

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