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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1868749" data-attributes="member: 13916">I dont believe the CRx= single player of level X. A dragon of any CR could eat alive a single PC of the same level, as could most monsters in the MM. CR's are based on the challenge presented to a BALANCED PARTY.The problem is that a single level X character fails to be an appropriate challenge for a party of 4 level X characters after about 7th level (possibly before). For instance a level 7 fighter is no challenge at all for a level 7 party. And certainly not one liable to burn up 25% of the parties resources.Once the middle levels are reached the gap becomes every bigger. A single level 15 mage agaisnt a level 15 party will struggle to drain even 10% of the parties resources. If you let him buff up and ambush the party, then you have to add a circumstancial increase to his CR (maybe CR 16-17). So from a straight fight point of view, the level 15 mage will probably be ground into dust on the first round of combat by the charging fighter/barbarian/paladin. (smart fighter holds until cleric greater dispels the enemy, Mage readies a greater dispel as a counterspell attempt, then fighter powerattacks the ass off the enemy mage).Thus, when you reach middlelvels if you have not experienced actually using the monster, then CR's may seem "out of whack". The only test for a CR is to run the monster against parties hundreds of times, and work out roughly how much of party resourses are used given average dice rolls. Majere</blockquote>

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