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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 3505255" data-attributes="member: 2205">Isn't this the thread for spoilers?  Anyway, I'm not blacking anything out; that's too much trouble in a thread where the title specifically warns of spoilers.So?  Granted, I'm a big fan of musicals from the 40s, 50s and 60s, but given Mary Jane's desire to be an actress on Broadway, it's not at all like this was gratuitious singing.  I thought it fit the storyline quite well.I'll agree that Venom was a bit rushed, but--uh, excuse me?  Why does Venom want revenge against Peter Parker?  Is it somehow possible that you fell asleep during all the Eddie Brock scenes?  There were a ton of them; it was one of the main story strands that was developed almost from the get-go.  If you're talking about the suit wanting revenge, you're projecting.  The suit was not sentient in the movie.  The revenge angle was all about Brock.I'm going to skip two of your complaints about plot contrivances which--honestly, aren't any more contrived than several in the earlier movies, and certainly less contrived than the original source material on which this movie is based.I'm left again wondering if you had to have fallen asleep during some key moments in the film.  Dr. Conner's specifically warned Peter early on that if you allowed symbiotic creatures to bond with you that it could be difficult to unbond.  So when Peter--after having accepted and used the suit extensively--has trouble taking it off, that was all foreshadowed earlier.  Not confusing at all.As for why he was in the church taking if off; that's because he was up on the bell tower of the church when he decided that the suit needed to go.  A nice coincidence, but not a plot whole; just a coincidence.Whoop de doo?  Am I to understand that several of your complaints are now that that the movie doesn't resemble the comic books enough?  I refer you back to Spiderman and Spiderman 2 to recalibrate your expectations.- The jump the shark moment was when the green goblin, whom had tried to kill Peter twice so far in the movie, and had just had half of his face blown off by Peter, decides to help spiderman take out sandman and Venom.  Forget the comic book history here, As far as this movie goes, Venom has a better chance of helping out spiderman than the green goblin</blockquote>I'm not even 100% sure what your complaint here is, but it sounds vaguely like more fanboi "d00d, they got it all wrong!" stuff again.  I think you're projecting characterizations from the comic book characters onto the movie characters even though the movie characters never indicated the motivations that you were expecting.  I thought Harry's switch made perfect sense, in terms of how his character had been portrayed and developed over three movies.  Sure; it wasn't the comic book Harry, but so flippin' what?No, it didn't.This is the only one where I sorta agree with you; they tried to do a bit too much here.  Sandman--being the least interesting villain of the three, having no obvious connection to the storyline going on with the other two (the redemption/forgiveness theme with Harry dovetails nicely with the black suit slash Venom storyline IMO, but felt really forced with Sandman) and having a weak retcon type introduction into the story in the first place makes him the obvious cut to me.  I'd have been happier if they had decided that if they really need to show Sandman that they did it in a big opening action sequence, not unlike a James Bond movie, just to show that Spiderman does indeed fight supervillains other than just what the movies demonstrate.  Give the setting a little depth, give us a nice action sequence, a little fanservice for comic book guys who want to see more supervillains on film, but don't tie him integrally to the rest of the plot and don't have him reappear.Also, the Venom deally felt rushed.  I think less Sandman means we could have seen more Venom.  He's the one who felt sorta like an add-on here.[/QUOTE]

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